Shou Shu; any redeeming factors?

[Beginners Mind]

Beginners,
I avoid this by starting from the assumption that an art does not work and the burden to prove effectiveness is on the practitioners. Proof consists of multiple practitioners improving at fighting noticeably under the training regimen. Fighting does not mean full out brawls but controlled sparring/competition against fully resisting opponents.

You should get over your disgust and apply critical reasoning.

Understandable. Admittedly, us Shou Shuer's need to start getting out to the competition circuits.

[ChenPengFi]

For a group of people who were so adamant when saying, "You need to have experienced something to talk about it!" You're pretty quick to judge a martial art that you have not spent any reasonable amount of time either studying or fighting against.

This is actually addressed in Bullshidoka Arguments #1 and 2.

Bullshidoka Argument #1 - Demanding that we train with or under the subject of the investigation before we make any conclusions about his claims.

Counter - An experienced martial artist can make reasonable judgments about someone else's level of skill or expertise. Although first hand experience is effective, informed judgments can be drawn from video clips and other media. This may not stand alone as conclusive proof of anything, but it can be a factor that raises the red flag of bullshido.

Bullshidoka Argument #2 - Questioning the ability of posters here to make informed judgments.

Counter - Similar to the counter for argument #1. The presence of skilled practioners of a variety of styles is one of Bullshido.net's greatest assests. That said, you don't have to be able to sing to identify someone who can't (American Idol, anyone?).
Read more at http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...H1zDyUMSkYc.99

So no, that's not how it works here.

[Beginners Mind]

You use this a lot? Where exactly? How do you use it? In sparring?

This part makes me think you never got near a fight in your life. This is your standard demo crap. You hit him, he bends over to setup your next strike. Its one step away from juggling in Tekken.

You can see this stuff in the crap demo. See how this guy stays bent over.

So, when you kick a guy full force in the groin... He just stands there and laughs?

:friends:

[ChenPengFi]

Answer the question.
He never said that.

[Beginners Mind]

This is actually addressed in Bullshidoka Arguments #1 and 2.

So no, that's not how it works here.

"This may not stand alone as conclusive proof of anything." Couldn't have said it better.

[Beginners Mind]

You use this a lot? Where exactly? How do you use it? In sparring?

Answer the question.
He never said that.

Wayyy too complicated for an internet forum. You don't use the natural reactions of the human body to your advantage in your arts?

[KickPuncher]

So, when you kick a guy full force in the groin... He just stands there and laughs?

:friends:

Does the same theory apply for techniques other than the almighty groin kick? Have fun hitting nerve clusters, floating ribs, or the duodenum of a moving, attacking opponent.

[Nefron]

Wayyy too complicated for an internet forum. You don't use the natural reactions of the human body to your advantage in your arts?

I have seen people on this forum explain the most subtle details of very complex techniques in text, in a way I never thought possible. What exactly is way to complicated here? You can provide a video.

You had a very specific example in your post. Where are you using those natural reactions?

[ChenPengFi]

"This may not stand alone as conclusive proof of anything." Couldn't have said it better.

Which is why you are being aske to prove your claims.
I even said so in my other post.
Try to keep up.

Wayyy too complicated for an internet forum. You don't use the natural reactions of the human body to your advantage in your arts?

No it's not.
It's a simple question.
This thread is about SS, not any other arts.
Don't change the subject.

[It is Fake]

Yes, it is illogical to say that one needs to have had a direct experience of something in order to talk about that thing.

Do, you need me to explain why this doesn't work?

If that were the case, you'd put a lot of historians out of business.

Nope. You really need to understand what is being said instead of reacting off of emotion.