Tai Otoshi Question
I got a little introduction to Judo some time ago, had to lay out a while, and now I'm getting back into it. I'm hoping some of the Judo folks can help me with a question about the throw called tai otoshi. I'm assuming tori has standard grip, right hand on uke's left lapel, left hand on uke's right sleeve.
The first time I was taught the throw, I was told not to plant the extended right foot after the turn in; the second time around with a different sensei, I was told to plant the right foot firmly and thrust off with it to help complete the throw.
Are these seemingly contradictory instructions simply variations of the same throw? In other words, as long as the "body drop" is successfully executed as a te waza, does it really matter whether the right foot was planted or not?
I've seen tai otoshi taught with the right and left legs ending up in line with each other, weight distributed evenly to each foot and the hands actually doing the throw.
I've also seen it taught with the legs ending up looking closer to seio toshi when the throw is completed.
However, I am definitely not any sort of authority on technique for judo. However, there are people on this forum (judoka_uk, BKR, ect) who are very knowledgeable about the sport, and I know that judoka_uk has written some great articles discussing fundamentals of judo.
If you use the search tool you should be able to find some of these articles, or you can just go to his blog, I believe it's called the difficult way. Hope this helps.
This is how a tai-otoshi should go.
I would be curious to see how the first instructor you spoke to would have demonstrated it.
Last edited by judoka_uk; 3/03/2011 2:19pm at .
Yes I am dan grade, but you oftentimes say what I was going to say before I say it. If I were to comment on the your post, the only thing I would do is nod my head vigorously.
TBH I didn't understand the OP's description of the first tai-otoshi he was asking about. I am hoping it's the difference between the "Adams" style and the "Japanese" style like you suggested.
I have seen enough poorly instructed tai-otoshi to think otherwise though... the horror...
Lol, cheers. Would be nice to have more people agreeing with me though and telling me I'm special, lol.
Originally Posted by Mas
Like you I didn't really get it either my best guess is that he's trying to get the OP to weight the bent leg rather than the outstreched leg, which is obviously a big no no.
I think Tai otoshi is one the consistently worst taught techniques in the whole of Judo.
I totally agree with you on that, however the #1 worst taught technique is:
I don't mean to badmouth, but this type of thing makes me cry.
I have had to sit through some plain silly hane-goshi instruction, usually from visiting instructors.
That is so bad it makes baby jesus cry.
Originally Posted by Mas
What a nice facility, though.
Question regarding tai otoshi weight balancing;
Would adopted the Adams 50/50 style make you less susceptible to a ko soto gari counter if uke is able to step over the straight leg?