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    Nizz0b Intro: Liu Ho Pa Fa

    Greetings! Quite a forum you have here...

    I am 24, male, 183 cm, 91 kg. I began my martial arts training with Aikido, at the age of 8, which lasted for 3 years. I trained under Kushida Sensei, who was a ninth Dan breakaway and founder of Yoshenkai Aikido. He's genuinely good at Aikido, far more instructor than I needed at age 8, but he was in my hometown. I learned how to roll, and a certain amount about how to throw.

    When I was in highschool I played lacrosse, which makes the deadly bodycheck my first attack instinct. Really only works if you're getting involved late in the game...I developed a love for smacking people with sticks that persists to this day.

    I came back to the martial arts when I discovered a Pa Kua (Bagua) instructor called Choi Wai-Lun. I took some Pa Kua, enough to learn really one good trick (a way of using your knees and foot to trip someone while keeping under your own center) and to decide that I wasn't ready for it. I went back three years ago, at which point I began in earnest.

    I train in two styles at the moment: Hsing I Chuan, and an obscure internal art called Liu Ho Pa Fa, which is my teacher's specialty. He is a former judoka and muay thai boxer who took to the internal arts to become a more effective fighter, and won the 1971 full-contact martial arts tournament in singapore, which earned him the lineage also.

    The philosophy of Xingyi is well known here, and I will not presume to expound, as you have such a gracious advocate as jenfucious already. Liu Ho Pa Fa is sometimes called a combination of the other internal arts, and indeed the long form (which I have not studied) is a compendium of some 700 moves. The 12 Animals, which take awhile to get the hang of, have a distinctive sort of diagonalized motion to them. This article contains a summary; I recommend skipping the chinese-y stuff if that ain't your style and cutting straight to the question: "Do you feel that instruction of the internal systems in the United States focuses too much on the health benefits and too little on the practical fighting aspects of the arts?" to get a feel for what we're about.

    We train in forms, kicks, hand strikes, chin na, and take downs. I recognize that this doesn't include grappling, and intend this summer to rectify that. The kicks are all in the muay thai style and our hand guard is a practical, i chaun, neutral one: elbows in, hands up, body diagonal in cat stance. We do some full-contact sparring, but mostly resisting-opponent technique drills that get increasingly open-ended. Major downside is that there's maybe 40 of us all told, and I end up training with the less than 15 who are at or above my level.

    I believe the difference between internal and external style is analogous to the difference between a violin and a piano. A piano has a relatively shallow learning curve, and a pianist who put in the same number of hours as a violinist will be making better musice faster. However, if that pianist ever wants to have the subtleties of note control of the violin, vibrato, true harmony etc, they are going to have to take up the violin, because the piano will never offer them that.

    Similarly. In the three years I have studied these arts, I have gained much. I move better, breathe better, am more alert, and have gained some measure of fighting skill yet untested outside of the occasional friendly spar. I've reached a point where I know I can dominate the unskilled and the underskilled, and yet, I know also that there is a whole class of fighter, most members of which could hand me my ass. Finding y'all was good timing.

    If I had spend my three years on BJJ, EBMAS WT, MT, or straight-up judo, I'd be a better fighter than I am right now. But I spent that time training my body mechanics and breathing, sometimes slowly, often at speed, and I'm glad that I did for the benefits it projects into my entire life.

    But goddamn it I can't grapple and I know it. Incidentally, when my sifu was asked about the shoot, and had one demonstrated, he sprawled/pancaked on it without a second's hesitation. It's just, we don't practice it :-)

    So that's where I'm at. I'm happy to answer any questions and be good-natured about any flaming, ribbing, or STFU n00bing you may have to offer.

    Xango
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    Welcome to the party!!!

    I couldn't find anything in your post worthy of flaming, maybe next time noob.
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    Re: Nizz0b Intro: Liu Ho Pa Fa

    Originally posted by Xango
    Greetings! Quite a forum you have here...

    I am 24, male, 183 cm, 91 kg. I began my martial arts training with Aikido, at the age of 8, which lasted for 3 years. I trained under Kushida Sensei, who was a ninth Dan breakaway and founder of Yoshenkai Aikido. He's genuinely good at Aikido, far more instructor than I needed at age 8, but he was in my hometown. I learned how to roll, and a certain amount about how to throw.

    When I was in highschool I played lacrosse, which makes the deadly bodycheck my first attack instinct. Really only works if you're getting involved late in the game...I developed a love for smacking people with sticks that persists to this day.

    I came back to the martial arts when I discovered a Pa Kua (Bagua) instructor called Choi Wai-Lun. I took some Pa Kua, enough to learn really one good trick (a way of using your knees and foot to trip someone while keeping under your own center) and to decide that I wasn't ready for it. I went back three years ago, at which point I began in earnest.

    I train in two styles at the moment: Hsing I Chuan, and an obscure internal art called Liu Ho Pa Fa, which is my teacher's specialty. He is a former judoka and muay thai boxer who took to the internal arts to become a more effective fighter, and won the 1971 full-contact martial arts tournament in singapore, which earned him the lineage also.

    The philosophy of Xingyi is well known here, and I will not presume to expound, as you have such a gracious advocate as jenfucious already. Liu Ho Pa Fa is sometimes called a combination of the other internal arts, and indeed the long form (which I have not studied) is a compendium of some 700 moves. The 12 Animals, which take awhile to get the hang of, have a distinctive sort of diagonalized motion to them. This article contains a summary; I recommend skipping the chinese-y stuff if that ain't your style and cutting straight to the question: "Do you feel that instruction of the internal systems in the United States focuses too much on the health benefits and too little on the practical fighting aspects of the arts?" to get a feel for what we're about.

    We train in forms, kicks, hand strikes, chin na, and take downs. I recognize that this doesn't include grappling, and intend this summer to rectify that. The kicks are all in the muay thai style and our hand guard is a practical, i chaun, neutral one: elbows in, hands up, body diagonal in cat stance. We do some full-contact sparring, but mostly resisting-opponent technique drills that get increasingly open-ended. Major downside is that there's maybe 40 of us all told, and I end up training with the less than 15 who are at or above my level.

    I believe the difference between internal and external style is analogous to the difference between a violin and a piano. A piano has a relatively shallow learning curve, and a pianist who put in the same number of hours as a violinist will be making better musice faster. However, if that pianist ever wants to have the subtleties of note control of the violin, vibrato, true harmony etc, they are going to have to take up the violin, because the piano will never offer them that.

    Similarly. In the three years I have studied these arts, I have gained much. I move better, breathe better, am more alert, and have gained some measure of fighting skill yet untested outside of the occasional friendly spar. I've reached a point where I know I can dominate the unskilled and the underskilled, and yet, I know also that there is a whole class of fighter, most members of which could hand me my ass. Finding y'all was good timing.

    If I had spend my three years on BJJ, EBMAS WT, MT, or straight-up judo, I'd be a better fighter than I am right now. But I spent that time training my body mechanics and breathing, sometimes slowly, often at speed, and I'm glad that I did for the benefits it projects into my entire life.

    But goddamn it I can't grapple and I know it. Incidentally, when my sifu was asked about the shoot, and had one demonstrated, he sprawled/pancaked on it without a second's hesitation. It's just, we don't practice it :-)

    So that's where I'm at. I'm happy to answer any questions and be good-natured about any flaming, ribbing, or STFU n00bing you may have to offer.

    Xango
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    OMFG, talk about yourself much? What's the matter psychotherapy ain't working and you're tired of your mom hanging up on you? Do you still play with play dough and eat glue? Where are the fluffy pink clouds? Tell your Shi fu to castrate you before you procreate for god's sake!!!!


    Welcome to Bullshido.


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    xango, if you'd have posted everything you set in different posts you would have been a heavyweight by now. Long posts get crappy reactions....
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    Re: Nizz0b Intro: Liu Ho Pa Fa

    Originally posted by Xango
    Greetings! Quite a forum you have here...

    I am 24, male, 183 cm, 91 kg. I began my martial arts training with Aikido, at the age of 8, which lasted for 3 years.

    Xango
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    Damn metric system!:rolleyes: And whats worse, you start with "i began my martial arts training with aikido..." You should have said "I began embarassment with aikido, then I saught out martial arts..."

    More kung fooey bullshit, pffft.


    Please dont eagle claW me in my throat and cause me to bite mine own tounge off, then palm strike my adams apple therafter causing me to swallow it.

    Oh, and one last thing....

    Welcome to Bullshido! :p
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    Re: Re: Nizz0b Intro: Liu Ho Pa Fa

    Originally posted by Deluxe247


    Please dont eagle claW me in my throat and cause me to bite mine own tongue off, then palm strike my adams apple therafter causing me to swallow it.
    Hey! That's a closed-door technique! You're supposed to learn how to levitate before Sifu teaches that! No fair!

    :D

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    Re: Nizz0b Intro: Liu Ho Pa Fa

    Originally posted by Xango
    Greetings! Quite a forum you have here...

    I am 24, male, 183 cm, 91 kg.
    Seems like you came here seeking male company, fag. Wrong forum, we are all happily heterossexual here (I mean, at least those who do have a sexual life - the others are theoretically heterossexual, in an unhappy way).

    Welcome to bullshido.

    The kicks are all in the muay thai style and our hand guard is a practical, i chaun, neutral one: elbows in, hands up, body diagonal in cat stance.
    You mean i-chuan guard? Could you talk more about i-chuan? I am curious about that style.
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    The analogy between the piano and the violin is an interesting one. It should be pointed out that the learning curve on the piano does not stop, that you can play stuff on pianos that is way more complex than anything conceivably playable on a violin, and that the vast majority of the great composers used a piano (or whatever keyboard instrument they had at the time) to compose their stuff (probably including their violin pieces).
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    Originally posted by Beatdown Richie
    The analogy between the piano and the violin is an interesting one. It should be pointed out that the learning curve on the piano does not stop, that you can play stuff on pianos that is way more complex than anything conceivably playable on a violin, and that the vast majority of the great composers used a piano (or whatever keyboard instrument they had at the time) to compose their stuff (probably including their violin pieces).
    Is this still about MA or are we gonna discuss our garden decoration next?
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    Sorry for going off-topic. But feel free to tell us about your back yard, I'm all ears.
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