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  1. Omega Supreme is offline

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    Book Review; No Holds Barred Fighting

    “No holds Barred Fighting: The Ultimate Guide to Submission Wrestling”
    Mark Hatmaker with Doug Werner; I give this 4 stars out of 5

    Overall I would say this was an excellent book for beginners. For experience players you have to look at the book through objective eyes as you can see minor flaws in the pictures and advice. Beginners, like any book, need to consult more experienced coaches and players. The photos are great, they take into account different angles.

    I found a few minor flaws that prevented me from giving them 5 stars. The first of these minor mistakes is titling some of the maneuvers as wrist locks when there is no pressure or attempt to submit using the wrist. These are actually shoulder locks, but they do work. The second was a mistake on the organization of the techniques. They showed reversals in the chapters where submissions were. Lastly, some of the submissions were extreme low percentage in actually submitting somebody with them. There were only about 4 that I came across but it should be apparent which ones don’t work all that well.

    My advice, ad this to your collection if you haven’t already.

    Peace.
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    The first of these minor mistakes is titling some of the maneuvers as wrist locks when there is no pressure or attempt to submit using the wrist. are actually shoulder locks, but they do work
    That could depend on where he got his information from.
    In Catch Wrestling terms (which is probably closer to where this guy is coming from than BJJ)

    Americana = top wrist lock
    Kimura = double wrist lock

    and I think :

    Keylock = double wristlock from top side control.
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    I have this book.

    I like it.

    Has anyone read Part II? The first version seemed a bit lean on chokes.
  4. Omega Supreme is offline

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    Yes, I have part II also.

    Still the Americana/keylock are not wrist locks although the original movement came from them according to some critics.
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    Isn't there also a third that focuses on striking? Has anyone read that one?

    I found the other two, but the website I went to says the striking one is currently unavailble.
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    So is anyone can tell us what they think of the second one, or do we have to wait for some hoity-toity review?

    *tapsfoot*
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    The second one is in the past. We've moved on to the third. Deal with it. :P
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    *pouts* :(
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    Second one; same accessment of first.
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     Style: submission wrestling

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    Yeah, there's some minor oversights (only one submission for half-guard, foot lock has sloppy leg positioning, etc...) but overall a decent book. The takedown and takedown defense parts are pretty good, although they missed a favorite clinch takedown of mine (the duck-under). The copy I have only cost 12.95 US + tax, so sure, I'd agree with Omega and recommend it for beginner level sub wrestling.
    "I had once talked to Billy Conn, the boxer, about professionals versus amateurs - specifically street fighters. One had always heard rumors of champions being taken out by back-alley fighters. Conn was scornful. "Aw, it's like hitting a girl," he said. "They're nothing."


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