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  1. brihno360 is offline

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    Posted On:
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     Style: Taekwondo, Judo, BJJ

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    This is the preliminary list of links which I have used to build the chart so far.

    General threads for information:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=93631

    jidokwan
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=97052&page=4
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=70172&page=1



    ITF-
    GM Name: Choi Hong Hi
    year formed: 1966
    Influences: Taek kyon, Shotokan
    http://www.tkd-itf.org/pub_web/ver_eng/TKD_history.html
    http://www.tkd-itf.org/pub_web/ver_e...cumentary.html
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75894
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48957

    USTF mentioned as ITF breakaway
    Also mentions the 3 ITF factions that formed after choi hong hi's death
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=75894&page=1


    United States Taekwondo Foundation USTF –GM Scott McNeely
    http://www.ataforums.com/index.php?showtopic=2270

    United Taekwondo Federation UTF – Master Dennis Thompson
    http://www.unitedtkdf.com/schools.htm

    ATA-
    GM name: Lee, Haeng Ung || Kang
    US branch of ITF in the late 1960's
    According to: http://www.ataforums.com/index.php?showtopic=2270
    Lee was Chung Do Kwan originally.
    In one of his books he is non-specific as to where he trained, but states that it was in an old church with pot-holes in the floor that were covered in plywood. so I am not sure of his Chung Do Kwan lineage based on what I have found. I will put up a post on ATAforums so that they can link me to the thread that shows his lineage back to Chung Do Kwan.

    Global Taekwondo Federation-Park Jung Tae
    ITF breakaway
    http://web.mac.com/gtftaekwondo/GTF/History_2.html




    Choong-Sil Taekwondo Federation (CTF)
    http://www.choongsil.com/html/history.html
    Apparently this style came from the ATA, but the GM claims ITF rank, so I am putting his organization under both in the chart. I think they also use Chang-hon forms, though not the sine wave tuls of the ITF.


    CTF-(Chin mu kwan taekwondo federation)
    GM name: Kang, Yon Ho
    ITF-7th dan?
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=60335&page=2
    Date: 1959
    student of Choi Hong Hi?
    Not sure where his rank came from.


    ITA-
    GM name: Bert Kollars, Craig Kollars, Art Monroe
    ATA breakaway.


    USTA (united states taekwondo association)
    GM name: Richard Chun
    WTF branch- USA?
    http://www.usta.info/biochun.html
    Book:
    Taekwondo: Spirit and Practice Beyond Self-Defense, Chun, R. (2002)

    USTU
    U.S. Olympic TKD org.
    http://www.portlandtaekwondo.com/Our...iefMaster.aspx

    USTC:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=85409&page=1

    International Taekwondo Council- ITC (defunct)- ATA breakaway.
    Wade Jack Corrie, Wade Vierra, Mike Ajay.
    In this case my instructor was there. In fact my TKD brown belt is under ITC. I will be calling my old instructor and asking him some specifics just to confirm. But I remember coming in to class one day and being told that I was going to have to learn all new forms.

    general discussion:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=85409&page=1

    tkd link foundation of modern tkd:
    http://www.martialartsresource.com/a...s/history.html
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67525

    KKW blackbelts:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68240

    Forms vids:
    http://www.natkd.com/chang_hon.htm

    ****tkdhist:
    http://tkd.stanford.edu/documents/tkd_history.pdf
    http://www.bluewavetkd.com/images/Go...peneressay.pdf
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3897


    ***Song Moo Kwan:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72486
    jong soo park
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73155

    Se-Jong
    http://www.sejongtkd.org/

    AIMAA
    GM name He Il Cho
    No link yet, but there is a great video

    GM Kim Dae Sung
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50969
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     Style: Kyokushin/Capoeira

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    I could look through Anslow's Encyclopedia of Tae Kwon Do Patterns. HE has a lot of history in the back of it and some of it may not have been said yet. He also talks about where various orgs place kihaps in their forms which I find kind of interesting as he talks about how General Choi didn't have them in his org, instead having you yell the name of the form at the end. Other instructors carried them over from their Shotokan backgrounds and now everyone kihaps in different places. My club is non-ITF but we shout the name of the forms at the end (and don't do sine wave), for instance.
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     Style: Taekwondo, Judo, BJJ

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    Any relevant history that pertains to organizations is helpful.
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    Posted On:
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    I saw that you have a link for the United Taekwondo Federation founded by Master Dennis Thompson. Both of my kids trained under Master Thompson and the current owner of the UTF, Master Tim Castle, so I think I'm safe in pointing out that the link you posted appears to be for the United Taekwon-do Federation, not the United Taekwondo Federated founded by Master Thompson. Master Castle currently operates one UTF school in Plymouth, Indiana. The link for it, if you're interested, is: www.plymouthmartialarts.com. I think this is great what you did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brihno360 View Post
    This is the preliminary list of links which I have used to build the chart so far.

    USTC:
    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...t=85409&page=1
    This link lead to a discussion that said nothing about the United States Taekwondo Committee (USTC). If you are looking for information on that go to http://www.ustaekwondocommittee.com Or ask me what you would like to know. If I don't have the answer I will ask Pres. Lee of the USTC.
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    My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...


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    Posted On:
    8/16/2011 1:04pm

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    Here is a brief history of the USTC
    Quote Originally Posted by USTC website
    On August 11, 2007 the United States Taekwondo Committee (USTC) held its Inaugural General Assembly Meeting in Chicago, Illinois, USA. There were over 200 Taekwondo Masters, Grandmasters, former athletes, and Officials from across the world in attendance.

    At this first General Assembly Meeting the members of the USTC adopted its Constitution and bylaws and elected officers of the organization. Mr. Sang Lee of Colorado Springs, CO was elected as the first President of the USTC. President Lee has served as the President of the National Governing Body, USA Taekwondo (formerly known as USTU), as a Member of the Board of Directors of the U.S. Olympic Committee, and as Vice President of the World Taekwondo Federation.

    Currently, the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF) is working as the International Federation for the sport of Taekwondo. The Kukkiwon is the World Taekwondo Headquarters located in Seoul, Korea.

    The Kukkiwon is dedicated to creating standards for issuing Black Belt Certification throughout the world. Every member National Association of the WTF requires their athletes to receive black belt certification from Kukkiwon in order to compete in the National, International, and Olympic Games.

    Perhaps Kukkiwon’s most important role is to educate the world about the culture, history, and true value of Taekwondo as a Martial Art. Both the Kukkiwon and WTF were founded by Dr. Un Yong Kim, former Vice President of the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

    Today Taekwondo is comprised of two aspects - the sport aspect and the martial arts aspect. This is demonstrated by the fact that less than 5% of Taekwondo practitioners have ambitions of competing in the Olympic Games. The remaining 95% of Taekwondo practitioners focus on the martial arts aspects of developing respect, courtesy and perseverance.

    The US Taekwondo Committee’s focus will emphasize the martial arts aspects of Taekwondo thereby supporting the ideals embodied by the World Taekwondo Headquarters – the Kukkiwon.
    I hope this helps.
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    My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...


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    Posted On:
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     Style: Taekwondo, Judo, BJJ

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    oops, my mistake on the link. not sure how that one got in there...
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    Posted On:
    9/22/2011 4:56pm

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     Style: ITF TKD, some dabbling

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    There's a great history of TKD right here. the Author is still compiling it but it stretches from the founding of TKD to the start of the Oh Do Kwan and ITF so far, covering all schools and styles:

    http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/...s:%20Taekwondo
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     Style: Taekwondo, Judo, BJJ

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    How can I attach an Excel file to a post? I have a preliminary chart developed, I could post a picture, but I figured it would be easier to read if people could just download it for themselves.
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    My duaghter is taking TKD from a guy in Huntington Beach CA, was kind of wondering about his qualifications. They have a 3 year Black Belt program that costs close to 10k when all is said and done, which I am dubious of, but my ex is paying for it so i'm like whatev. Link to school http://hbmartialartsusa.com/instructors
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