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  1. M.Dasargo is offline

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    Mantis Boxing Trapping Drill

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    So M.Dasrargo, what are your thoughts on the combative application of patty-cake?
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    drills like these have their place, but i think you will find that around here, people are more interested in drills that have more aliveness (as opposed to dead pattern drilling.)

    if you have videos of drills that are done in an alive manner, people will generally be more receptive to them. if you have video of sparring, then even better. footage of lei tai fights would, of course, be the best, because the lei tai is where you find out what schools are really training kung fu.

    here's a blog post that explains what i mean by aliveness, in case you're not familiar with matt thornton. http://aliveness101.blogspot.com/200...aliveness.html
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    Is there any trapping that isn't crap? I've never seen it pulled off when someone is going hard anyone got any video?
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    You know you aren't in YMAS right? Oh and yes, you have seen trapping pulled off. Just like I tell everyone, stop looking at things from a chun or Kungfu choreographed perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by recourse View Post
    Is there any trapping that isn't crap? I've never seen it pulled off when someone is going hard anyone got any video?
    When a BJJ stylist has you tied up to setup for a submission, they're using 'trapping'. When a Thai boxer has you in the Plum clinch, they're using 'trapping'. I'm too lazy to post videos, so use your imagination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Aero_ View Post
    When a BJJ stylist has you tied up to setup for a submission, they're using 'trapping'. When a Thai boxer has you in the Plum clinch, they're using 'trapping'. I'm too lazy to post videos, so use your imagination.
    no, they aren't. in those examples they are using BJJ and the plum clinch respectively.

    i *think* what you're trying to say is that some principles of trapping are similar to the principles of BJJ and the plum clinch, and that someone who has studied an art that included trapping might be able to apply those principles if they were training in BJJ or MT.

    if that's indeed what you're trying to say, then my response would be: maybe, but it's kind of a stretch, and you're trying to use examples from respected arts to legitimize sub-optimal training methods. how much BJJ and MT have you done (and i'm not talking about stuff done in your JKD classes, i mean actually going to train at a full time MT or BJJ gym?
    "Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
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    "Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
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    MMmmmmm...patty cakes.

    patty cake drills, much like forms, are designed to embody the cadence and principles of traditional fighting styles. They don't teach fighting.

    much like this doesn't teach fighting


    Continuity drills are good for:
    -warming up
    -developing quickness
    -developing slip-jab like cadence.

    The key is to extrapolate the techniques into various training methods including feeder drills, reflex development etc.

    Here's some patty cake with feeder drill samples we did for a Chinese New Year demo (feeders start at 30 sec):
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    @ Ming
    Thanks for the support breda. I come to expect critical feedback, so sall bueno. Bein' a Chinese Fighting Arts guy, our stuff is too "corrupt" to be called traditional kung fu, and too obscure to be considered effective by the fight community.

    The continuity drill we do rarely, but it's demo season. This stuff is more Kung Fooey than this


    and this
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    2/18/2011 8:47pm

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    Effectiveness of trapping

    Trapping is prolly the worst word used to describe the principle.

    Simply put:
    Striking = striking through the holes in the opponents guard/defenses.
    Trapping = removing obstructions from and/or creating striking lanes.

    Sakuraba, nate diaz, and others use "cat paw", which in Mantis Boxing is considered "feng shou: seal hand". When you're arm swims/pummels through a clinch or grab, it is considered "lou shou: leaking hand".

    So trapping doesn't look as textbook as the drills, but it is used intuitively.

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