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  1. holycrap is offline

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    no i am not say it is ok.. i dont realy know what to think at this point.. what i can say is that i have only trained under him and have been to other schools and did well... ya know
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    Quote Originally Posted by holycrap View Post
    oh guys,, i am not complaining or mad.
    Your third post was complaining about moderation, deletion, and your lack of understanding the rules. Yes, those are complaints.
    just posted i am student of scotts so if any one wanted to ask me a question they could.
    If you did post this there would have been no issues. You didn't so your new point is irrelevant.

    again if there you want to find out if we are legit come down
    Why? The question was if his Black Belt was self awarded. You answered Yes.

    He very well may have BB level skill and that is not the question.
    othere wise let it go already.
    How about you let go of the whole "come to my school and roll to see if he is legit" thread drift? It has no bearing on his self awarded Black Belt.
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    i am not a good keyboard warrior... sorry .. it does have bearing on people asking if his students are legit ?
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    I always love when posters say this:

    i am not a mamber of any forum or plan to stay at this one.
    Then they immediately start using internet specific forum lingo like this:
    Quote Originally Posted by holycrap View Post
    i am not a good keyboard warrior... sorry
    .. it does have bearing on people asking if his students are legit ?
    If he self awarded himself your ranks are not legit in BJJ. So the strawman you are creating is legitimate on the mat skill vs legit BJJ rank. They are totally separate issues. You can be skilled at grappling and have BS rank in BJJ. You can be skilled in grappling and have no rank in BJJ and still be legit. It has happened and there are multiple threads on bullshido about this phenomena.
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    so i am not a purple belt .. but i can grapple?
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    Quote Originally Posted by holycrap View Post
    so i am not a purple belt .. but i can grapple?
    Let the strawman go it is a non-issue. You are angry because you can't separate rank from skill. Sambo Stylists can grapple and have no BJJ ranks. Wrestlers competed in MMA and they have no BJJ rank.
    Are you really going to play this game? If you need help understanding the issue ask.

    Quote Originally Posted by jnp View Post
    It's also completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. We are discussing whether Mr. Lewis has the right to represent himself as a black belt in BJJ.
    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyG View Post
    For the record, I was not questioning his or his students ability. I was questioning his self promotion. I think its a little decieving for potential students to claim a BB in BJJ when that BB is self appointed.

    Does anyone know how to reach out to Ryron Gracie and get his opinion on the matter?
    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyG View Post
    I did not question if he was a good competitor. I question his BB status in the eyes of the BJJ community. I think it's a lil decieving to potential students to claim a BB in BJJ, which is prestigous in my eyes, if it was not awarded to you by another BB.

    Does anyone know how to reach out to Ryron Gracie on this matter?
    Quote Originally Posted by FinalLegion View Post
    No one here is questioning how likable or personable Scott is. They are questioning whether or not his Black Belt in BJJ is legit or is it self-appointed, as the evidence, so far, seems to indicate. If Scott decided for himself that he had been training long enough and was good enough to have a Black Belt...and then simply awarded one to himself then that undercuts the very principle and ideal of being a student. If everyone was left to their own devices in this respect, then everyone would be a Black Belt whenever they personally felt they deserved it. If it's left in the hands of the students, what's the point of belt tests at all?

    If Scott did promote himself to Black Belt, he owes it to every student he teaches to let them in on that truth. We all know that students tend to gravitate towards instructors that have high ranks; I mean, if we're confronted with two potential teachers in BJJ, one with a Purple Belt, the other with a Black Belt, who do you think the student will choose?
    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Skippy View Post
    So, not only does it appear that he did rank himself, but when asked simple questions about his training history in a VERY non-confrontational manner, he lets his friend and current instructor be the one to speak for him.
    Notice YOUR COACH'S SELF AWARDED RANKS were questioned not his, your, or any other students skill.
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    my head is still spinning from this.. i just found this out yesterday.... i dont know what to think at this point... if you were me what would you do?
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    I was you in a different art. I just researched, read, LISTENED, and understood the argument before running my mouth. I didn't attack the people providing the information nor did I get in an argument when I was wrong.
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    running my mouth? guy your misunderstaning me.. i am saying what would you do at this point .. this is my last post.. i seem to be coming across wrong..
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    Quote Originally Posted by holycrap View Post
    my head is still spinning from this.. i just found this out yesterday.... i dont know what to think at this point... if you were me what would you do?
    First, I would decide whether rank under a legitimate BJJ instructor was important to me. If it was, then I would seek training elsewhere. If it wasn't, then I would decide whether I wanted to train under a man who has misrepresented himself to the community and to his students.

    It's all good that Mr. Lewis is coming clean about his rank now, but if he had never let people think he had a black belt in BJJ he wouldn't be in the position he is now. He is, at the minimum, guilty of lying by omission.
    Shut the hell up and train.
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