Thread: Self appointed BJJ Blackbelt?
10/05/2011 9:18pm, #31
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Wow, great points and well put. You successfully summed up how I feel about Martial Arts in general. People are way too caught up in ego. "White Belt For Life!!!"
10/05/2011 9:24pm, #32
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If the your guy in Cali seems good and you like him and can learn from him why wouldn't you train with him? I love boxing too and train with anyone that I like to train with and can learn from and vice versa. None of those boxers or instructors have black belts or have won the heavyweight belt :)
10/05/2011 10:53pm, #33
Seriously? Is that you? Glass Houses? I have certificates for my lineage claims. I have certificates for my Educational claims. I have papers for my writing claims. Let's not build strawmen arguments. If you fudge your background glass houses do not come into play.
10/05/2011 11:10pm, #34
Unless he tells everyone who comes to his studio "hey, I promoted myself to Black Belt BEFORE they paid him money, or signed a contract" his conduct is deceptive and means that these students will not find others to study with who earned their ranks from people who were qualified to award such Black Belts.
10/06/2011 1:20am, #35
If Scott did promote himself to Black Belt, he owes it to every student he teaches to let them in on that truth. We all know that students tend to gravitate towards instructors that have high ranks; I mean, if we're confronted with two potential teachers in BJJ, one with a Purple Belt, the other with a Black Belt, who do you think the student will choose?
10/06/2011 2:49am, #36
I've taken the liberty of breaking up your unreadable wall of text into more easily digestible pieces. I also got rid of your New Calibri font. Despite this, your post still gives me mental heartburn.
It's also completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. We are discussing whether Mr. Lewis has the right to represent himself as a black belt in BJJ.
I've spent ten years sweating and bleeding on the mat, putting in the hard work to get to the rank of brown belt. I spent five years as a purple belt trying to figure out what I needed to do to get to brown. During this period I NEVER even thought of promoting myself. Nor have countless other practitioners of the art who have struggled to progress. To do so would dishonor our commitment to BJJ.
If Mr. Lewis promoted himself to the rank of black belt, he has severely dishonored both our arts. That is my opinion.
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10/06/2011 8:28am, #37
10/06/2011 8:47am, #38
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I guess that settles the issue. If MartialArtsNH is one of his students and told him he did (and doesn't hide the fact) put on the Black Belt when he thought he was ready. By that statement he is a "self appointed" Black Belt.
I know during my training I felt I was ready on numerous occasions but obviously I wasn't because I didn't get promoted. I would never self promote myself.
What does that mean for the Black Belt under him? I am not sure how he walks around telling everyone he is a Black Belt. He is not a Black Belt he just wears one.
10/06/2011 12:01pm, #39
10/09/2011 10:18pm, #40
I was in contact with Mr Lewis last week.
Here is the content of our e-mail exchange. My focus was to be courteous to try to let Mr Lewis present his side of the story and provide as much information as he could. When trying to discover information, far too many people shut down early in the conversation because of accusations. I wanted to make sure that Mr Lewis had the opportunity to provide as much information as he could without feeling 'accused' of anything.
Originally Posted by Uncle SkippyOriginally Posted by Scott LewisOriginally Posted by Uncle SkippyOriginally Posted by Scott Lewis
There are a couple of things I wanted to note about the conversation:
- "Ronin Black Belt": I asked if this was a rank through an existing school or a reference to a masterless Samurai. He didn't address that in his reply (nor anything else). My gut feeling is that it is an acknowledgment that he did promote himself.
- Ryron has not ranked Mr Lewis: The mention of such from MartialArtsNH is without merit since this comes directly from Mr Lewis himself. In fact, Mr Lewis has never claimed any lineage under any instructor.
- Numerous statements to minimize the meaning of belts: We've seen "a belt only holds up your pants" and similar references before, along with "my students compete and do well elsewhere". If the belt doesn't mean that much, then why claim any rank at all? Why (based on my gut feeling) did he promote himself to any belt if it is all about results? We all pretty much know the answer to this, but the hypocrisy is rather blatant.
Why would any person want to talk to Ryron to get information about Mr Lewis? Why would Mr Lewis put that burden on Ryron to defend him?
I'm sure that Mr Lewis has skill. I'm sure that Ryron will support Mr Lewis' skill level, but everybody here knows that it is NOT about his skill level, his personality, or his performance.
It is about making unsubstantiated claims and the lack of respect for the traditions of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (belting himself).