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    that's a really interesting idea feryk.
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    Thanks, Feryk. That's awesome. Clearly I was listening harder in sociology than I realised - what you're saying is familiar. Having said this, I'm married to a sociologist, so perhaps I've passively absorbed all kinds of methodologies and methods.

    This would be a fascinating research project, and it'd be fantastic to get properly funded for it. I wonder if some of the peak martial arts bodies would chip in for this kind of thing.
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    Ask yourself who in the industry would want an objective standard of "Martial Value". Do they have the money or inclination to fund the development of one? Would a Sociology department at a University have a grant available? These are things I cannot answer.

    What we are discussing will require a lot of manpower (datagathering), training (each data gatherer has to be working from detailed definitions of each value), and expertise (factor analysis is a VERY specialized field).

    There is a reason that administering an IQ test costs a lot of money. Having said that, it would be an incredible tool. Once the data is collected and analyzed, it would be a very simple thing to objectively measure a school or style. We could also compare the effectiveness of different training methodologies with REAL statistics (kata vs. conditioning for example).

    I think most importantly, it would allow schools to understand how different practices incorporated into their training could add/subtract Martial Value. For example, I help run a Karate club, and I am interested in more aliveness and sparring drills, and our club does more than others around here, but that doesn't tell me much. It would still be the Krotty that I love to train, but it would help me give our club members better training.

    With this tool, I could see exactly what practices would allow me to maximize my student's training time (how much conditioning, what type, etc), based on the concept of Martial Value. I believe in time my students would benefit from this, and I would have a tool that would allow me to emphasize the parts of my art that are of high value, and maybe not spend as much time on other things.

    It would also answer a lot of the debates on this forum definitively. Of course there will always be people who dispute it, but you get my point.
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    Yes, I know about the costs and time (see note on marriage). But it's worth thinking about.

    On industry, it'd probably be a partnership between government funding sources, internal school/department funds and some peak body likely to get a boost out of it (e.g. an MMA organisation).
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