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  1. twan55 is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguksaram View Post
    Troll and not even an imaginative one...which just makes this double annoying.
    Wow.

    It was a joke. The whole thing.

    I could not possibly have been more sarcastic.

    Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manuva View Post
    I know there's some threads like this already but I felt like writing up my own to have my little spiel.

    I started TKD about 18 months ago as I wanted to learn self defense and get fitter and it was one of the few schools around . For a while it was good and I learned some good basics like front/side/roundhouse/back kicks and some blocks. Also patterns were interesting too.
    Also the instructors were nice and seemed pretty good fighters & teachers.

    However over time parts of it seemed impracticable or impairing.

    Classes & Students
    - I was an adult and therefore had to join the Family class which is for everyone 6 - 60. To do the more intense sports class you had to be at least a Blue belt. So I'd train with people in their 40's who were out of shape and didn't like to go too hard or a 8 year old where you have to pull all your kicks and humor them whilst sparring or go against a teenager who would constantly flinch or flail around when you were working on drills. At times it felt more like a social club with people talking during demonstration and drills or never being able to spar properly as some kid always forget to bring pads.

    I think the last class I attended was a father brought his kid to learn TKD. However the classes ground to a slow pace as the kid had a attention disorder and was yelling and running around and the instruction had to spend alot of the class calming him down and trying to make him focus.

    As for gradings it seemed you be quite bad at TKD and not train up until red belt and get passed. I saw students come to gradings and spar and just stand on the spot feigning lazy roundhouse kicks with an occasional "giup" and they would pass with no effort. Gradings were showing up 'attempting' the pattern, then some kicks followed by a short spar and you'd move up the belts automatically.

    Practicality

    As I mentioned, some of the kicks and blocks were good and have practical application in a self defense situation. However some of the techniques and lessons were confusing trying to put it all together.

    One week we'd be doing kicking drills from white to black belt techniques. So you'd do your basic kicks as a white belt but then have to try and do a spinning back kick with red belts. Trying to run before walking.

    Other weeks we'd work on basic kicks, horse stance punches and blocks (upper, lower,outer ect) and then do patterns. However when we'd be doing the self defense component of the classes we wouldn't use any of the moves. And when I'd ask how come we don't use any of the traditional blocks and strikes the response was "oh you'd wouldn't use those on the street" So we'd learn a bunch of moves that would only used for demo/patterns and never for self defense or sports sparring.

    Most of the self defense was stuff was based around moving evasively and striking joints and close quarter fighting. This in turn removed alot of the sports kicks as they weren't usable in self defense environment. Also some of the getting out of grabs and holds didn't seem practical or were over complicated and our instructor didn't really promote using these techniques. Also alot of the fancy WTF sports techniques weren't too usable either.

    There was little ground work. The only ground stuff was drills for getting up quickly if on the ground. This was practical but not so good if someone is on top of you :icon_pale I wasn't expecting there to be much ground work in TKD but some basics would be nice.

    I found it confusing when our schools master was talking down on grappling arts saying how it's not good as it's dangerous and you could cause injury by choking someone and that BJJ classes have a somewhat high injury rate.
    However he didn't say anything about the massive physical damage that occurs from people being kicked/punched in the head and hitting their head on the ground as a result.

    I came to a conclusion I wasn't into it anymore and wanted to find something else. Over a month I sent 3 emails to the head master that I was leaving and then after the third email he finally got back to me and said my first two emails were never sent/received and he finally stopped payments being taken out of my account. However since he took so long to respond the school already took the money out of my account for a month of classes. When I asked about a refund he said I can't have one as he would of needed 30 days to cancel the payments. So I would of had to pay anyway :cry:


    Fortunately I've found a good school to do BJJ (which I've wanted to try for a while) which I can do mauy thai and mma cross training too. It's gonna cost more and further to travel but the teachers are good, the classes seem practical and most of the students are fit and want to learn and be good fighters and train with alot of discipline and as a team and don't go to hangout and treat it like a afterwork hangout. Hopefully this will be my new home.


    I'm not trying to crap on TKD as there are some great benefits from it and there's a lot of great fighters but I wanted to do my lil speech and get it off my chest.

    Thanks.
    There are rare or unique taekwondo schools that will incorporate kickboxing and boxing and offer judo seminars, but the most WTF TKD schools teach an impractical "foot boxing"

    Better to stick with BJJ/judo and free style kickboxing/muay Thai or full contact karate-do (Kyokushinkai, Enshin, Ashihara, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by twan55 View Post
    Wow.

    It was a joke. The whole thing.

    I could not possibly have been more sarcastic.

    Christ.
    ha hah I got it, was funny.
    Last edited by charlie echo; 2/14/2011 12:05pm at .
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    I would lose faith in any Instructor from one discipline talking bad about another discipline. Sounds like more of an issue with the Instructor versus the style. You made a good move, those who believe there is only one good style are misinformed or delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheetah1140 View Post
    I would lose faith in any Instructor from one discipline talking bad about another discipline. Sounds like more of an issue with the Instructor versus the style. You made a good move, those who believe there is only one good style are misinformed or delusional.
    The instructors and the students matters most, but there are some styles that seem to attract people not comfortable learning with fear and pain.

    Agreed that an instructor should not talk negatively about another school.

    While MMA's a brutally honest sport, there are traditional MA schools that condition with fitness and skills that can end a fight, AKA self-defense.
    Last edited by charlie echo; 2/14/2011 1:18pm at .
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    Guess it depends on the part of the world you're in cause here in Houston I see more Mcdojo Karate schools than Tae Kwon Do ones. I've been in TKD for a month now but most of the higher belts have power behind their kicks and punches so in the right hands I'm sure TKD can be one of the great fighting arts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danharr View Post
    so in the right hands I'm sure TKD can be one of the great fighting arts.
    Oh man, there is no end of humor in that out of context quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twan55 View Post
    Wow.

    It was a joke. The whole thing.

    I could not possibly have been more sarcastic.

    Christ.
    Problem is that there are people who pop up on here and say that crap all the time due to ignorance or just being a troll. Since there were no emoticons attached to the whole thing I just figured you for a troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danharr View Post
    Guess it depends on the part of the world you're in cause here in Houston I see more Mcdojo Karate schools than Tae Kwon Do ones. I've been in TKD for a month now but most of the higher belts have power behind their kicks and punches so in the right hands I'm sure TKD can be one of the great fighting arts.
    That can be said for anything. In the right hands pimp slapping can be a great fighting art...so long as you keep your pimp hand strong.
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    "Bullshido isn't just a place to hang out when you're browsing the net. We really are trying to accomplish something fucking extraordinary here that nobody's ever had the balls to do before."
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    "Which is better, to learn the truth, or to enjoy the illusion of being right when you are not?"
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    My definition of Ki is our energy. it's rather hard to explain it in words. It's not some mystical type of energy like white people...


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    Okay guess I'll start practicing my pimpshido.
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