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  1. Conde Koma is offline
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    same experience as most of the people here, my chiro is pretty boss, and he's more like my physical therapist than my doctor. it really depends on who you get, so do you research/yelp before you pay some dollars.

    if **** is sudden pain, i think that's a sign to go see a doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kintanon View Post
    My chiropractor is awesome, fixed chronic multi-year pain in my neck and shoulder, gave me a bunch of stretches to do to keep the pain from returning, and generally operates in a manner consistent with sanity.
    Other chiro's I've run into have suggested spinal adjustments to treat everything from bronchitis to cancer and have told people their auras are out of alignment. So you really do risk getting a complete crackpot as a Chiro. The ones that are athletes and come from a sports medicine background of some kind are the ones most likely to actually be able to help you. My first chiro was a long distance runner, my current chiro is a power lifter.
    My chiropractor is an *ahem* Aikidoka and came recommended from my Judo coach who, along with a good portion of the rest of the class at the time, saw him on a regular basis. He was very good at figuring out how to get us back to shape after a hard fall or crank.

    I tend to prefer my health professionals who share similar physical activities as best I can (when I have the option); there's usually less to explain and they have probably seen someone in your condition before.
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    My old chiropractor helped me tremendously decades ago when I was heavily into training and teaching. Today, and for many years, I get my wife to use her foot on 3 parts of my back.
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    I went to the doctor, theres nothing wrong with my spine or anything, she said my lower back pain is due to a few reasons that all add up.

    Those reasons are:

    1. Firstly i sit at a pc a few hours a day for work and i sit with very bad posture.

    2. While sleeping i lay on my side with my top leg over the bottom one, so my hips are kinda flat on the bed as if i was laying on my stomach while my upper body is still on my side so im sleeping while my back is twisted, she says this is very common and alot of people suffer back pain due to twisting there spine while sleeping.

    3. Adding all this to the added stress of Judo and BJJ my back just finally gave up.

    So doctors prognosis I need to loose a few pounds around the waist, sleep with a pillow between my knees , apparently the pillow stops you from bringing the top leg over and twisting the hips. And she recommends a new mattress.
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    Re: Chiropractor yes or no

    Hmmmm.... when it comes to Chiros I heard it can be a good experience or bad. I guess it really depends on the person you see. maybe Try out physical therapy/message/acupuncture/ e.t.c. untill you get more info about chiros
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    Re: Chiropractor yes or no

    I knew my Chiro in high school and he was a state-level high school wrestler. I first went to him for neck injuries I incurred in a car accident, which still give me occasional problems to this day and severely limits my exposure to grappling. Flat out, my neck can't take it.

    He also nursed me throw a couple of scapular-area muscle injuries and, most recently, a combination of a long-term hip problem and *something* in my shoulder that cause my left bicep and tricep to be constantly sore and virtually powerless. I was at the point where I was ready to beg for a cortisone shot and he refused as he stated the long term joint damage would counteract the benefits and insisted patience.

    He works a nice mixture of ultrasound, electronic muscle contraction therapy, massage, acupuncture and alignment, and isn't wanting to automatically go to the audible "CRACK" like some.

    I am firmly convinced that his background in wrestling gave him a much better understanding of the types of injuries I was encountering and how to deal with them. Don't know if you feel comfortable asking your chiro about their experience with training, but I would second:

    first going to a physician and getting a diagnosis

    second getting referrals from training partners
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    Re: Chiropractor yes or no

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LodlEH6TluM
    Lower back stretches that could ease the pain in the meanwhile...
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    Re: Chiropractor yes or no

    Quote Originally Posted by Takeshi View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LodlEH6TluM
    Lower back stretches that could ease the pain in the meanwhile...
    First of all, in most cases stretching the low back is the exact opposite of what's necessary. It's counter-intutive to think so for many people because stretching is generally thought of as a good thing.

    Dr Stuart McGill is the go-to guy in low back pain and research (from everything I've read thus far) so I'm going to stick with his opinion on the matter. You can read up about it here and the two articles linked from it. http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...back_to_mcgill I'm sure there are other good articles out there, but this one was early on google and didn't suck.

    Second on the agenda: Dear Bullshido members: WTF?

    This site is founded on the premise of skepticism until sufficient evidence is demonstrated, yet anecdote is being treated as evidence. Chiropractic is based on absurd pseudo-magic and as a practice it regularly acts in direct opposition to scientific research. While alchemy spawned chemistry and astrology eventually turned to astronomy, chiropractic (except for what appear to be a few isolated incidents) doesn't seem to be anywhere NEAR adopting an evidence based approach to treatment. I made a post about this earlier in the thread that seems to have gone completely unheard.

    Furthermore it seems like those who had the most positive experiences with their chriopractors talk about how they acted "like a ___" in doing certain things. That blank has been filled by massage therapist (of one kind or another) or physical therapist, etc. If your treatment was helpful because it was like one of those things, wouldn't the logical conclusion to draw be to go to one of those things that they were "like"?

    There's a part of me that wishes that chiropractoric worked. That's the same part of me that would really like accupuncture to work (greater than placebo/control). The fact is that neither practice has demonstrated any evidence of such a happening, so why would you bother?
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    Re: Chiropractor yes or no

    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy Jazz View Post
    There's a part of me that wishes that chiropractoric worked. That's the same part of me that would really like accupuncture to work (greater than placebo/control). The fact is that neither practice has demonstrated any evidence of such a happening, so why would you bother?
    I would not start doing things like equating chiro, a relatively new thing, with acupuncture which is way older and is used by billions of people.

    I am pretty sure there is evidence posted somewhere on Bullshido that acupuncture works beyond placebo, mostly in the areas of pain management and nausea. But even if you just accept those, it is worth further scientific exploration for relieving cancer patients, etc.

    You might have to search for the articles, but they are out there. There are established scientists and medical doctors who are still researching acupuncture and trying to link it to electrobiology (another very interesting field).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy Jazz View Post
    There's a part of me that wishes that chiropractoric worked. That's the same part of me that would really like accupuncture to work (greater than placebo/control). The fact is that neither practice has demonstrated any evidence of such a happening, so why would you bother?
    Couple of minutes on PubMed yielded these:

    http://dare.ubvu.vu.nl/bitstream/1871/3735/1/9102.pdf
    http://www.thespinejournalonline.com...177-3/abstract
    http://www.jmptonline.org/article/S0...423-0/abstract
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2050630/
    http://www.jmptonline.org/article/S0...368-4/abstract
    http://www.jmptonline.org/article/S0...160-5/abstract
    http://journals.lww.com/spinejournal...ractic.15.aspx
    http://www.ptjournalonline.net/cgi/c...ract/72/12/853
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2485083/
    http://www.jmptonline.org/article/S0...155-6/abstract
    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/329/7479/1377?ehom

    Start with the one on the bottom if you want to critique them, it's generally cited as being the biggest one. It's conducted in the UK, however, so the results might not reflect the messy American world of chiropractic very well.

    As far as I'm concerned, manipulation really, really, really works for the things I inflict on myself, and by "works" I mean instant reduction in symptoms compared to the long process that is physiotherapy. I tend not to have low back pain, so I can't comment on how good it would be at treating that.
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