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  1. Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs is offline
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    Looking for Boxing headgear with build-in eye protection glasses

    Hello,

    I'm looking for Boxing headgear with build-in eye protection glasses for my Savate teacher.
    I've been looking online at several shops, but I can't find this type of headgear. Does it even exists?

    My Savate teacher is heaving problems with his eyes, cornia related problems. He can get hit in the head, but contact (even minimum contact) of a boxing glove and his eyes can cause some problems.

    I'm looking for a boxing helmet or a daido juku style of helmet with a see through protection over the eyes, so no face cage type of helmet or plexiglass over the complete face . The helmet can be lighter than a normal boxing helmet, that would not be a problem at all.


    So if anyone knows of this type of helmet and where I can get it online, please let me know.

    thanks, Zendo
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    Never seen such a thing, maybe because it is not a good idea to have a small solid object accelerated into your eye socket.

    I would suggest a combo of soft minimal boxing headgear with old style ski goggles.

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    then put something like this over it:


    but just for his condition, not for normal use.

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    Takwando headgear can come with variations of face plates.
    Don't know how good they are though.
    http://www.martialartsmart.com/sparr...ring-gear.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregaquaman View Post
    Takwando headgear can come with variations of face plates.
    Don't know how good they are though.
    http://www.martialartsmart.com/sparr...ring-gear.html
    Thanks, I'll take a look if I can find those here in a shop to test the quality. Luckily he only spars "assault" (semi-contact) and in combination with 16oz gloves, it doesn't need to be a heavy duty set.
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    Why would you put this here instead of the striking forum? I wouldn't have moved it.
    This looks good to me:
    YouTube - Applying a Full Face Shield to ProForce Lightning Headgear

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteShark View Post
    Why would you put this here instead of the striking forum? I wouldn't have moved it.
    This looks good to me:
    YouTube - Applying a Full Face Shield to ProForce Lightning Headgear

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    Oh, I was first looking for the product review threads, couldn't find them.
    Than I saw all the injury threads in the Physical training forum and since this was about a cornia problem I thought it should be there.
    But you're right, it belongs maybe more in the striking forum. You can move it, if you want to, for later so that other strikers with eye problems could find this thread easier.

    I'll also take a look at the Lightning headgear.
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    I have not used it, but from what I've seen Mooto makes some good products and this headgear LOOKS well put together in the picture:
    https://www.mootoamerica.com/catalog...products_id=35 A boxing glove isn't getting through those eye holes, but perhaps a Savate boot tip would?

    I use a Koshiki Karate headgear (the ones Daido Juku used to use, now they have their own which is beefier). It's more of a headwrap with a face mask however (read: no padding). You will not get your face broken, but anything that doesn't hit dead center you will feel full force. He won't mind for semi-contact though, and the continuous dome shape means not even a boot tip, or anything really, can slip through.

    Google koshiki if you want one, it'll probably be much easier to find in EU than USA. I know a shop in the UK sells 'em, otherwise, go through Sports Master Int'l in Australia. Their int'l sales guy Lee is really nice and their shipping is insanely cheap & fast for something coming from Australia.

    The workmanship on Koshiki headgear is suspect, however. The stitching connecting the facemask to the headwrap is flimsy and easily ripped off, but I had a shoemaker fix it and it's actually a much nicer piece of equipment now with the stiching replaced by heavy duty leather strips. Seriously, if any of you guys have sparring gear that prematurely dies, try taking it to a shoe marker. They've fixed a bunch of stuff for me as good as (or better than) new.
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    I believe shorinji kenshi use it sometimes. Something like the one in this video?

    YouTube - Shorinji Kempo Randori Samples, Aosaka Sensei

    If it is, let me know and I'll probably be able to ask the place where i used to train SK where they got theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maofas View Post
    Google koshiki if you want one, it'll probably be much easier to find in EU than USA. I know a shop in the UK sells 'em, otherwise, go through Sports Master Int'l in Australia. Their int'l sales guy Lee is really nice and their shipping is insanely cheap & fast for something coming from Australia.
    Thanks for this recommendation.

    Looking at their Terms and Conditions,they write: "sparring gear and accessories are intended only to reduce the risk and severity of accidental injury to protected areas during supervised, non-contact sparring or light-contact sparring. Light contact/force is defined as force not to cause pain, injury, penetration, or visible movement of the opponent."

    Is this just standard 'protecting our backs' guff, or is their protective stuff really not for "moderate to full contact sparring"?
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    Yes Shorinji uses them. Koshiki Karate is technically a ruleset, not a style, that was started by Shorinji chief Masayuki Hisataka. It's kind of like Daido Juku with without groundwork and no gloves, but with adds a hogu. IIRC he also helped design the sanda ruleset and gearset.

    Anyways, I asked their sales guy the same question regarding that line of text about contact level, and basically it has more to do with people getting concussions than the dome breaking. Like I said, the helmet has almost no padding at all, it's just there to keep your face from getting broken. I think they don't want to get sued by people who thought they were immune to head trauma, as it's easy to get KTFO in one.

    Now, I'm not saying it's impossible to break (and I have no money, so don't sue me!), but I can say I've been GNPed full force, hard enough to lose hearing in one ear for a week, but the dome did not crack. The only way it's likely to crack is if you put pressure on both lateral sides at once. Generally, that's more something that will happen in storage (laying on it's side, with stuff weighing on top of it) not in standup sparring.

    Visibility is great, airflow is surprisingly good. The official version will be more expensive, but supposedly they're made in the same factory as the ones used by the Koshiki people, but just lack their official seal of approval. I don't know if that's true or not.

    P.S. If I were doing a lot of full-contact sparring and I had $200 to drop on a helmet, I would probably go with Top 10. They have a Lexan face shield that fits their headgear, and the headgear itself is supposed to absorb shock really well.
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