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    Dillman karate's most dangerous student

    Now I'm positively sure that some of you are thinking: "He's gone nuts." or "He's got the wrong Dillman!", but bear with me, dear reader.

    Some of you may (or may not) have heard of the famous "Friday Night Bank Robber" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gugasian.

    Well I have. Several times. In fact, one of the reasons he was caught was because the FBI case against him was one of the first to use psychological profiling, or determining the suspect's background through his actions, stated that he was a martial artist.

    Still awake? Good.

    I was also aware of the fact that he was caught because the feds started asking the local MA school owners about guys with his description, found him in a karate
    school, and that's how they set up surveillance and et cetera.

    Now, I always thought what many of you are doubtlessly thinking now: "Kyokushin or Daido Juku for sure."

    Well, the show I saw last night said otherwise. "The robber was a third degree black belt or *SONDAN* at the local Dillman school."

    For the intents of this thread, I will leave bickering about Sondans compared to sandans, like I saw in Phrost's thread where he commented on a hoplophobic journalist misspelling UZI as "oozie" like the goddamn prick...





    Where was I? OH YEAH! I was going to forget Sondans. Sorry about that.

    At this point, I was thinking what many of you were thinking at the top. Wrong Dillman, right?

    But, being the general curious bastard I have always been, I couldn't let this go.

    So I went to see what I could dig up.

    Unfortunately, I didn't find a treasure chest full of money that Dillman scammed his students out of, but I did find this:

    http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....st-Bank-Robber

    Skip to about half way down, or set a good example by using the search function (CTRL + F)

    "Dillman Karate turned out to refer to George Dillman, the
    Reading-based founder and owner of an international chain of 85 karate
    schools, who had developed his own method of Ryukyu Kempo
    pressure-point fighting and grappling.

    Among five local studios was one "dojo" in Drexel Hill, near Radnor.
    Carr said he described the robber's profile to the studio's owner, who
    named several students fitting the description.

    One was Carl Gugasian."


    A further search led me to the site of Dillman Karate International, where I barely survived a pressure point attack from the site's home page. I'm lucky there were no ninjas.

    I used http://www.dillman.com/schools.asp
    link, where I found that Dillman has a school in Drexel Hill!

    I must say that I am suprised at the fact that Dullman didn't use it as a marketing scheme. Just imagine:

    "Learn the methods used by the legendary
    Friday night bank robber! How to lead the FBI on a manhunt almost as costly as your first year contract, build bunkers full of maps and stolen guns, and retire to teaching calculus to inmates at a federal penetentiary for 20 cents per hour!

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    Quote Originally Posted by judoist View Post
    one of the reasons he was caught was because the FBI case against him was one of the first to use psychological profiling, or determining the suspect's background through his actions, stated that he was a martial artist.
    Any detail on who they were able to determine the fact he was a Martial Artist from a few PVC pipes full of his stuff? Was there a belt in there?
    Really, though what is the psychological make up of a Martial Artist?

    EDIT: I just Googled Psychological+profiling+Martial+Artist and the first thing to come up was this thread. Further down was this.

    The Psychological Effects of Martial Arts Training - Part 2
    http://newmata.live.subhub.com/articles/20090912_1

    I scrolled down randomly and found this little morsel:
    These researchers used the Adjective Checklist, a 300 word list that subjects check off, to measure personality, and a Martial Arts Questionnaire of their own design to gather background information on martial art style, expertise and attitude. On examination, the superior group was found to be higher than the average karate group on: defensiveness, self confidence, achievement, dominance, endurance, affiliation, heterosexuality, exhibition, autonomy and number of favourable adjectives checked. They scored lower on: succorance, abasement and counseling readiness. This implied that the advanced karate group were outgoing extroverts somewhat aware of the social environment who look at their selves positively and are trying to get ahead in life
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    Another article:
    http://www.chrisrodell.com/NewFiles/gugasian.html

    And the inevitable wiki article:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gugasian

    I know he's a crook, but he's definitely got my respect for being damn good at what he chose to do.
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    So Dillman students are more likely to be psychopaths? Surprise.
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    Comical but really only circumstantial. Now if there was a slew of such characters appearing at regular intervals over time, then there might be some super villainy afoot.

    I would find it a dark kind of funny if somehow Dillman's shenanigans were validated through a string of serial killings.
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    The first bunker had a flyer in it about Dillman karate. That fit the profile perfectly. Guagasian was also in the ROTC in the Ivey League.

    Tae Bo, the guy wasn't exactly a psycho/sociopath. According to the case agent, the guy was pretty shaken up when the bank managers took the stand in court.
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    Very interesting piece of work here.

    I was also surprised by this little nugget from the story posted,

    "A U.S. bank is robbed once every 52 minutes."

    Thank the lord for online banking...
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    wait, what?
    Quote Originally Posted by wikipedia
    Known as "The Friday Night Bank Robber", he is perhaps the most prolific of such criminals in US history, having robbed more than fifty banks over a thirty year period, for a total of more than $2 million.
    This dude robbed 50 banks and only made two million dollars?
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    I would find it a dark kind of funny if somehow Dillman's shenanigans were validated through a string of serial killings.
    Dunno.
    I'm seeing Herbert from Family Guy going on a pressure point rampage.

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    wait, what?

    This dude robbed 50 banks and only made two million dollars?
    Over the course of 30 years, and probably only paying taxes for half of it, it's not a terrible living. Probably the equivalent to about 100 grand a year or so. Also, much less risky than trying to go all out like Lee Murray; remember that he was pretty much uncatchable this whole time.
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