1/13/2011 2:06pm, #1
How authentic are these certificates
Ok, I need people to look at these certificates and provide me with a no BS assessment on how authentic they appear to be from an accuracy stand point.
I already know these certificates originate from a non-legitimate source, I don't need to be told that, what I need to establish is, are any of these direct copies of actual legitimate certificates which have then been edited and duplicated for on line sale.
"To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
1/13/2011 3:20pm, #2
Is an exact replica of mine, except for the name and date.
The web site selling these things calls this "The DD-214 issued upon completion of military service". It is not, the DD 214 is a form that contains information about you and your service. This certificate is largely ceremonial in nature, no one has ever asked for my discharge cert., when they want to verify service the ask for the actual DD214.
1/13/2011 4:14pm, #3
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1/13/2011 8:44pm, #4
- Join Date
- Dec 2007
The 4th one is supposedly signed by Mas Oyama a year after his death...
1/13/2011 10:57pm, #5
- Join Date
- Apr 2010
- West Virginia
I typed in "Yamaguchi Gogen certificate" into Google Images and got this result as the first item:
Perhaps the source for the Goju-kai cert?
1/13/2011 11:24pm, #6
The "Kodokan Judo" certificate is no way shape or form from the real Kodokan.
1/13/2011 11:41pm, #7
- Join Date
- Jul 2002
- Rhineland Pfalz, Der Vaderland
Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invincible Asia) Dark Emperor of Baji!!!
Didn't anyone ever tell him a fat man could never be a ninja
You can't practice Judo just to win a Judo Match! You practice so that no matter what happens, you can win using Judo!The key to fighting two men at once is to be much tougher than both of them.
1/14/2011 12:45am, #8
What Gezere said. But is that 4th one meant to be a scan or a recreation?
1/15/2011 9:07am, #9
The first one is an obvious forgery. However their other one:
An imitation Kodokan certificate
Is quite close to an original, if you compare it to an original such as Mr. Ohlenkamp's, which they appear to have used as a basis for the copy
The second column of text, from the left, is different to Ohlenkamp's. However, as I have no Japanese I don't know if that's a date column or what.
Also its interesting for Risei Kano to have signed the certificate in 1985 when Yukimitsu Kano was Kodokan kancho in 1985, Risei Kano having stepped down in 1980. I believe this is probably because they just copied the Ohlenkamp certificate and didn't check their dates.
They've also not been able to replicate the english font properly, in particular note how on Ohlenkamp's the 'first' is markedly different than the accompanying text, yet on the imitation ones its the same font.
1/15/2011 11:45am, #10
Thank you guys keep that stuff coming in, I have plans for this and need as much information as possible."To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".