Fug me! :)

**Moenstah** · Posted On: 2/21/2011 7:44am

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

Nah, but what's with this? Some archaic Japanese ritual?
A 1920's-style freakshow to legitimize Oyama's superior warriorship?

Why would a legitimate trainer of the 20th century even do such crap?

it's in my post, don't act as a pupil at high school :P

**Hiro Protagonist** · Posted On: 2/21/2011 9:59am

Still, bewildering. Couldn't he have hit some bricks, or what?

**Eddie Hardon** · Posted On: 2/21/2011 1:05pm

Originally Posted by Moenstah

btw Vieux Normand: so glad you're back!

Seconded!

**Rock Ape** · Posted On: 2/21/2011 1:29pm

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

Why would a legitimate trainer of the 20th century even do such crap?

Had he meet Ueshiba - bat-****-crazy - Morihei just prior ?

That would explain A LOT :-)

**whatever123** · Posted On: 2/21/2011 1:33pm

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

Still, bewildering. Couldn't he have hit some bricks, or what?

Lots of people already did that (He did that too, he also broke a top of a bottle with knife hand strike). But beating a bull with bare hands just trumps all that (even if it was tampered with or fake).
Another Kyokushin guy fought a bear (willy williams, but it looked pretty weird & unconvincing).

**Vieux Normand** · Posted On: 2/21/2011 2:17pm

Originally Posted by whatever123

Another Kyokushin guy fought a bear (willy williams, but it looked pretty weird & unconvincing).

Easily enough settled:

Didn't rip him up and eat him when he attacked? Tame bear.

Did rip him up and eat him? Proper wild bear.

BTW, @ Hiro, Moenstah and Eddie. Many thanks. Out of Bullshido due to impending retirement from bouncerdom (and consequent switch to some not-so-martial MA), I nevertheless had to come back to see the reaction to Silva's win over Belfort. Had to, dammit.

**RWaggs** · Posted On: 2/22/2011 12:39pm

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

Nah, I enjoy MT too much right now.

However, I can already see that I won't do this forever,
mainly because from my experience, either you just simply take too much damage*, or you end up doing some cardio-ish stuff.

So, at some point, I'll quite probably switch styles again,
and karate seems like fine alternative....

...*Since this has come up elsewhere quite recently, this is not me being internet-tough:
It's just that I've had problems with hand-injuries for years,
and that my knees and legs are taking damage as well.
I won't be one of those lucky ageless guys that do MT until they are 40,
that's for sure.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but are you implying that you may want to switch to Kyokushin BECAUSE you have hand injury problems and leg damage? My hands and legs are nearly constantly sore from impact taken during Kyokushin class. Might not be the best fit.

**Hiro Protagonist** · Posted On: 2/22/2011 2:06pm

Nope, you're kind of right - in the sense that the injuries you get in MT are different in nature. From the very small insight I have into KKK, you do way less bag work, and way less kicks on knee height, which in itself already minimizes a certain kind of risk.

Because after two years of adding knees and low kicks to my Western Kickboxing base, I'm already having those Bas Rutten moments, where parts of my body hurt without logical or immediate reason.

**kolsyrade** · Posted On: 3/25/2011 11:47am

Do not fall in the trap of trying to fit actions done before a shift in thinking to what we think after that shift in thinking.
To us fighting a bull is awful cruelty to animals that I cannot condemn enough. But before the idea of animal rights got a hold, that was non-existent as an idea.
I doubt that Oyama would do that if he was young today, but back then it was VERY successful as a publicity stunt. People heard of it, saw it and was impressed.
You may argue how much it had to do with actual karate, but as a publicity stunt it was awesome -back in the early 50ies. Today? not so much.

**kolsyrade** · Posted On: 3/25/2011 11:51am

Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist

Nope, you're kind of right - in the sense that the injuries you get in MT are different in nature. From the very small insight I have into KKK, you do way less bag work, and way less kicks on knee height, which in itself already minimizes a certain kind of risk.

Not if you train at a good dojo with a tournament focus. Then you will find that the amount of lowkicks and bag work is very similar to MT