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  1. Ignorami is offline
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    Posted On:
    1/14/2011 4:59am


     Style: Aikido / FMA / Krotty

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    Don't they change the second half of each number depending on what they are counting too, just to make it even harder? hito: hitotsu, hitori, etc.?

    I swear that when there are no westerners around, they all count in english and laugh.


    When life gives you lemons... BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!

    "what's the best thing about aikido then?"
    "To be defeated by your enemies, to be driven by them from the field of battle, and to hear the lamentations of your women." ermghoti
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    Posted On:
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    Yeah there's a prefix involved

    This explains it better than I can:

    http://blog.greggman.com/blog/counting_in_japanese/

    Anyway sorry to hijack Hiro's thread.
    "To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".

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    Posted On:
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     Style: Judo & BJJ

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    Counting in Japanese is a gigantic pain in the ass. Hate it. Lots of stupid rules and counters. It's such a regular and logical language in most respects, but things like counting (and the orthography!) are difficult.
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    Posted On:
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    Nah, I find this very interesting. The martial arts I have done for the last ten years or so had next to no scholarly dimension.

    If just somebody could give me some more info on Kyokushin... :)
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Aikido / FMA / Krotty

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    In my experience, you can learn everything you need to know about Kyokushin by sitting down and trying to eat a large bag of iron nails.

    I've only had dealings with two (one my female cousin), and I am subsequently very polite to all of them.

    Dave might re-tell his story about his Russian associate?


    When life gives you lemons... BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!

    "what's the best thing about aikido then?"
    "To be defeated by your enemies, to be driven by them from the field of battle, and to hear the lamentations of your women." ermghoti
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    Posted On:
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     Style: BJJ/Shidokan

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    Watch all of "The Strongest Karate"
    YouTube - The strongest karate part1 (1 of 7)
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Kettles (MA hiatus).

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    I don't have anything technical to bring to the table unfortunately but I've sparred with a few KK guys and attended a few classes but had to leave due to illness.

    For me KK is like an Eastern version of boxing, it may not be the most well rounded style out there but it will turn you into a bad ass, guaranteed, plus you'll be **** hot at your specialised subjects, ie kicking and harsh levels of conditioning.

    I love the mentality behind KK and will keep an eye on this thread.
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    Posted On:
    1/14/2011 5:17pm


     Style: KK TKD GJJ

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    Books
    If you can find them:
    1-What is Karate?
    2-This is Karate
    3-Advanced Karate
    4- Kyokushin Karate philosophy
    all by mass oyama

    Ashihara:
    1- Fighting Karate
    2- More fighting Karate
    all by Ashihara

    Enshin:
    The Sabaki method
    by Ninomiya

    Perfect Karate
    by S.Oyama

    DVD

    Kyokushin Karate Encyclopedia Vol 1, 2 & 3

    Born to be the Strongest vol 1,2,3 & 4

    You can also try books from T.Nakamura, H.Royama, S.Arnel, & Howard Collins
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    Posted On:
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     Style: Kyokushinkai / Kajukenbo

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    YouTube - The strongest karate part2 (2 of 7)

    I really like this one more: less kata and lots of class fighting training and tournament sparring - around 9 min has sparring in the dojo. That brought back some memories; facing some good tough bb and everyone does their best and just gets creamed. We had in Hawaii and Utah some karate and kickboxing champions that no student could ever beat. It shows some good body conditioning training too.

    To answer the OP I do have This Is Karate by Oyama and I just amazon'd it and it's available for $70 used. While a good guide to techniques, kata and sd I've actually reread the sections on philosophy more than anything else. If you can find it through a library or inter library loan it would be worth reading, but I don't think I'd bother buying it. You'd be better off training than reading.

    The second video shows the fluidity and combos well. And some good bag training. The techniques of Kyokushin are pretty much the same as Shotokan or Wado (or for that matter Hawaiian Kempo or TKD). The sparring is of course usually a bit harder! Besides the intensity of sparring there are two things that come to mind. One is fighting spirit. The other is the training that enables the karateka to spar at that hard a level.

    The best lesson I ever had was in Hawaii standing trapped in the corner while a Japanese tournie fighter worked over my body. We were only allowed to block or push him away, no strikes. I remember thinking I was going to die, or at least get hurt bad the first time. A couple weeks later I realized that he was going a lot harder and faster and I was handling it better. He knew just how far to push the students and as we learned to take it the intensity went up. The actual techniques of breathing, tensing and twisting sideways are pretty simple, but it takes DOING it to learn it. It took me to a whole 'nother level and was really valuable to my development as a ma. That body conditioning / movement, the ability to take hits and the left jab taught to me by a Kaju boxer were the best things I ever learned - if I'd ever learned to roll my head taking face shots I'd have been pretty good!

    In Hawaii it was trad KK, in Utah after years we padded up and went to more kickboxing (with head shots). It was in the days of Benny "The Jet" and one of our bbs came back after training with him and influenced the style of that dojo.

    When I first trained in Honolulu it was in the 70s and I was a green belt from the Utah dojo in KK (and had some Wado and Kaju years behind me) and fit in great - trained hard, sparred all the advanced students one after another the first night. Sempai threw me hard and then immediately did the same damn throw again so I was ready for it and got an arm around his neck and tried to throw him. We ended up busting in the door of the women's bathroom and lying there all twisted up together I thought that he might get up and kill me. But he was laughing and I realized that he was very amused and pleased with my response. Then after class I was the lowest rank to be invited to drink beer and eat raw fish etc. Good feeling. Years later I went back as a KK bb who'd trained 20 years KK (til Sensei Griffiths retired), and about ten years in an eclectic American karate that used some Judo and submission wrestling, and some TKD, AK, and other stuff. I really didn't fit in well at all. I didn't do KK just like they did anymore- I had changed and while my old KK sensei on the mainland said I was better (he still drops in and watches classes in Logan) and had learned mas better since he had awarded me a bb I just had changed and it really seemed kind of old fashioned and a bit narrow minded.

    It probably didn't help that Shihan Bobby Lowe is really old and conservative and the dojo is much smaller. Ikihara, who was the best fighter and the most impressive karateka in the Hawaiian dojo was a white haired old man just helping teach when I went back - he, imho, was the real power and skill in the Honolulu dojo; by the 70s Bobby wasn't sparring (Bluming sez he was shitty anyway) and Ikihara was tearing opponents apart. When I went back several years ago I was older than Bobby been in the 70s and I was still fighting. I have to give Bobby credit for having students like Sensei Griffiths and Ikihara though - he has maintained a dojo for many decandes and that's something.

    So anyway I don't think you'll "get" it much from a book or video. I sure couldn't get motivated my own to train that hard - like doing kata with a stop watch going as fast as we could. Or taking a break, pushing against each other at the window gasping for breath, thinking all the oxygen had been used up in the dojo!
    "Preparing mentally, the most important thing is, if you aren't doing it for the love of it, then don't do it." - Benny Urquidez
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    Posted On:
    1/14/2011 7:30pm


     Style: Kyokushin, Boxing, Judo

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    Name: Hiro Protagonist
    Style: Muay Thai

    Learning about the enemy, eh? :P

    The conditioning, sparring methods, and sparring put knockdown Karate from the rest, rather than just being another Krotty style.
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