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    Hey,

    I would like to amplify my perspective as a striker,
    and learn as much as I can about Kyokushin.

    Which books should I read, which videos should I watch,
    what other stuff should I take into consideration?

    I'm not looking to change style, but I am genuinely interested in this,
    since my primary style remains a Karate derivate.

    Thank you kindly,

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    Maybe you should also look into Ashihara Karate.
    It's a Kyokushin offshoot that uses the Tai Sabaki principle of rotating, so it looks like "barehand-no face striking-Muay Thai".

    Filip and Moenstah have/are training in that, so send them a PM.
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    Just a point of clarity on tai sabaki which might be useful.

    The term 'tai sabaki' is often miss-understood to mean or refer too turning or rotating one's body in movement however that's not entirely accurate.

    Without posting the kanji -yada-yada-yada.. essentially all that tai sabaki means is to manage your posture whilst on the move; it's an all-encompassing term which can be used in general conversation about body movement however; if you want to be specific about the methods of "rotating" or turning one's posture whilst moving:

    mae-ashi irimi (to move slightly forward with your leading leg) tenkan then turn (180 degrees) whilst maintaining the same stance (same foot forward when complete)

    ushiro-ashi-irimi (take one step forward with the back foot) tenkan then turn (180 degrees)

    tenkan (turn immediately on the spot without moving forward or backward) maintains the same stance when complete

    tenshin to move diagonally backwards (relative to your opponent) whilst maintaining the same stance

    irimi-tenshin (to move forward slightly with the leading leg then move back diagonally as described above) maintains the same stance when complete

    hitoemi literally, hitoemi means one line body but in many MA it refers too making your posture (your body target) "small" IE being in line with your opponent rather than having your hips square on, the foot and hip movement for this is very similar to tenshin taisabaki but done with a very short foot movement and without moving back.

    There are a few more but those are the generic and most common.

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    Many thanks, that gives me stuff to google.

    But do you happen to know any book or manual for Kyokushin,
    or some good literature about Karate in general?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist View Post
    Many thanks, that gives me stuff to google.

    But do you happen to know any book or manual for Kyokushin,
    or some good literature about Karate in general?
    Sorry no mate, my experience of Karate-do specifically is limited to Shotokan and that's only enough to partly fill the back of a postage stamp.

    I can however happily discuss the details/merits/concepts/waza of things such as tai sabaki and how that could be put to greater use within say a striking art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist View Post
    Many thanks, that gives me stuff to google.
    Just bear in mind those terms are very generic and not specifically style related although (due to the nature of some arts like aikido, daito ryu and other jujutsu) you will find a lot of varying information, whilst I don't profess to be the expert in all matters budo, my Japanese language skills and understanding of such things such as tai sabaki, if you research it and find conflicting or confusing information, fire it past me here and I'll point you away from the BS.
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     Style: Aikido, bits of jits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Ape View Post
    ,,,
    tenshin to move diagonally backwards (relative to your opponent) whilst maintaining the same stance
    ,,,
    I've only heard two other aikido instructors refer to tenshin in tai sabaki, which were also different:

    • an angle change using a step forward step back stance switch (like the common yokomenuchi entry)
    • what you describe above as ushiro-ashi-irimi tenkan

    First time was with one instructor, second time was when we were asked to do it for a grading with a different instructor.
    More poetic jargon is often less consistent in meaning.
    /derail

    edit: didn't see RockApe's above while I wrote this
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    Side-lining a bit but important to remember:

    The vast majority of the miss-interpretation or miss-understanding toward the terminology associated with martial arts stems from non Japanese speaking people who, generally, through no actual fault of their own perpetuate the issue because their instructors (and peers) transmit inaccurate information which is then taken as gospel; this is then (again) in turn re-transmitted possibly with further inaccuracies - and the problem spirals.

    The problems associated with correctly understanding "technical" rather than "conversational" Japanese terms is compounded by contextual and literal use of those words.

    An example being, if I were to walk in down town Tokyo and ask someone who doesn't study MA what ura waza kaiten nage was, they'd understand "waza" and "nage" but the "ura" and "kaiten" parts wouldn't make entire sense unless the context of the usage was explained.

    Now imagine that exaggerated a thousand-fold when you try to explain as accurately as possible what many Japanese martial arts terms mean to westerners?

    Expect vast difference of opinion and understanding.
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    A good illustration of that appears to be counting. Loads of us westerners learn to count in Japanese while repping out forms and such. My understanding though, is that if you went into a shop in japan and asked for a quantity of anything using that number system, they'd look at you like you were an idiot.


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    Japan has two counting systems (just to make life easy!)

    If buying items within a shop (usually under ten items) you'd use the second system:

    1. hito
    2. futa
    3. mi
    4. yo
    5. itsu
    6. mui
    7. nana
    8. yo
    9. kokono
    10. tou
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