Thread: Fug me! :)
1/13/2011 5:04am, #1
Fug me! :)
I would like to amplify my perspective as a striker,
and learn as much as I can about Kyokushin.
Which books should I read, which videos should I watch,
what other stuff should I take into consideration?
I'm not looking to change style, but I am genuinely interested in this,
since my primary style remains a Karate derivate.
Thank you kindly,
1/13/2011 7:57am, #2
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Maybe you should also look into Ashihara Karate.
It's a Kyokushin offshoot that uses the Tai Sabaki principle of rotating, so it looks like "barehand-no face striking-Muay Thai".
Filip and Moenstah have/are training in that, so send them a PM.Originally Posted by Jiujitsu77Originally Posted by HumanzeeOriginally Posted by jk55299 on Keysi Fighting Method
1/13/2011 10:31am, #3
Just a point of clarity on tai sabaki which might be useful.
The term 'tai sabaki' is often miss-understood to mean or refer too turning or rotating one's body in movement however that's not entirely accurate.
Without posting the kanji -yada-yada-yada.. essentially all that tai sabaki means is to manage your posture whilst on the move; it's an all-encompassing term which can be used in general conversation about body movement however; if you want to be specific about the methods of "rotating" or turning one's posture whilst moving:
mae-ashi irimi (to move slightly forward with your leading leg) tenkan then turn (180 degrees) whilst maintaining the same stance (same foot forward when complete)
ushiro-ashi-irimi (take one step forward with the back foot) tenkan then turn (180 degrees)
tenkan (turn immediately on the spot without moving forward or backward) maintains the same stance when complete
tenshin to move diagonally backwards (relative to your opponent) whilst maintaining the same stance
irimi-tenshin (to move forward slightly with the leading leg then move back diagonally as described above) maintains the same stance when complete
hitoemi literally, hitoemi means one line body but in many MA it refers too making your posture (your body target) "small" IE being in line with your opponent rather than having your hips square on, the foot and hip movement for this is very similar to tenshin taisabaki but done with a very short foot movement and without moving back.
There are a few more but those are the generic and most common.
Dave"To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
1/13/2011 1:23pm, #4
Many thanks, that gives me stuff to google.
But do you happen to know any book or manual for Kyokushin,
or some good literature about Karate in general?
1/13/2011 1:40pm, #5
I can however happily discuss the details/merits/concepts/waza of things such as tai sabaki and how that could be put to greater use within say a striking art."To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
1/13/2011 1:44pm, #6"To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
1/13/2011 1:51pm, #7
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- Aikido, bits of jits
- an angle change using a step forward step back stance switch (like the common yokomenuchi entry)
- what you describe above as ushiro-ashi-irimi tenkan
First time was with one instructor, second time was when we were asked to do it for a grading with a different instructor.
More poetic jargon is often less consistent in meaning.
edit: didn't see RockApe's above while I wrote this
1/13/2011 2:29pm, #8
Side-lining a bit but important to remember:
The vast majority of the miss-interpretation or miss-understanding toward the terminology associated with martial arts stems from non Japanese speaking people who, generally, through no actual fault of their own perpetuate the issue because their instructors (and peers) transmit inaccurate information which is then taken as gospel; this is then (again) in turn re-transmitted possibly with further inaccuracies - and the problem spirals.
The problems associated with correctly understanding "technical" rather than "conversational" Japanese terms is compounded by contextual and literal use of those words.
An example being, if I were to walk in down town Tokyo and ask someone who doesn't study MA what ura waza kaiten nage was, they'd understand "waza" and "nage" but the "ura" and "kaiten" parts wouldn't make entire sense unless the context of the usage was explained.
Now imagine that exaggerated a thousand-fold when you try to explain as accurately as possible what many Japanese martial arts terms mean to westerners?
Expect vast difference of opinion and understanding."To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".
1/14/2011 3:30am, #9
A good illustration of that appears to be counting. Loads of us westerners learn to count in Japanese while repping out forms and such. My understanding though, is that if you went into a shop in japan and asked for a quantity of anything using that number system, they'd look at you like you were an idiot.
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1/14/2011 4:51am, #10
Japan has two counting systems (just to make life easy!)
If buying items within a shop (usually under ten items) you'd use the second system:
10. tou"To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".