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  1. milwaukee cop is offline
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    Any cop who would dismiss a subject who actively trains any combat sport as a real threat is a fool.

    Any cop to dismiss the value of the cross over skill that combat sports have is a fool.

    Any cop that does not maintain a competent level of fitness is a fool.

    As a cop of close to 11 years, I am sad to say I have meet many fools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee cop View Post
    Any cop who would dismiss a subject who actively trains any combat sport as a real threat is a fool.

    Any cop to dismiss the value of the cross over skill that combat sports have is a fool.

    Any cop that does not maintain a competent level of fitness is a fool.

    As a cop of close to 11 years, I am sad to say I have meet many fools.
    Is there something cop-specific about this dude's rejection of MMA, or is it just the garden variety 'lalalalalalalala' we see in some 'TMA' schools?
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    A lot of cops, especially older ones (though some younger too) are TMA hold-outs, of sorts. So it's not uncommon to find a lot of bullshido, even from guys that are DT instructors and whatnot. However, there are also a lot of cops that have boxed, wrestled and done Judo. So they are far from a homogenous group when it comes to subjects such as this.
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    sometimes it's TMA head in the sand influence, sometimes its people placed in academy to teach because they have no stomach for the street.

    cops spend more training time on firearms than D.A.A.T, in the field we use D.A.A.T all the time, and rarely( if we are lucky) use our firearm.

    sometimes its because people dont want to acknowlege a weakness or lack of knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milwaukee cop View Post
    sometimes its because people dont want to acknowlege a weakness or lack of knowledge.
    I wonder if cops are worse at this, given they're supposed to project a higher-than-average aura of authority.

    There are alpha males everywhere, but aren't cops supposed to be 'in charge', even if they're hopelessly out of their depth?

    Let me know if I'm just making this up. I don't mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudOWNED View Post
    A lot of cops, especially older ones (though some younger too) are TMA hold-outs, of sorts. So it's not uncommon to find a lot of bullshido, even from guys that are DT instructors and whatnot. However, there are also a lot of cops that have boxed, wrestled and done Judo. So they are far from a homogenous group when it comes to subjects such as this.
    [BRIEF DIVERSION]

    This is a very, very old point I'm about to make, but...

    We need a new word for 'TMA'. Gezere, we were having this discussion six years ago on Bullshido, and presumably earlier. Did we get anywhere?

    'Arts of low martial value' is my replacement, but I've yet to write this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gezere View Post
    I looked to see if this was posted and found nothing. I came across the is article about the threat of MMA to LEOs and methods to deal with it. I think its was pretty good and a honest assessment of a typical LEOs ability to deal with a combat athlete.

    http://www.lawofficer.com/article/tr...d-martial-arts
    I read that at work. Interesting article

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    It still amazes me that they don't put more efort into making sure cops have decent hand-to-hand skills before they hit the streets. I think it shows an incredibly callous attitude to officer safety o the part of the powers that be. It seems that if you're going into Policing or private Security, you really need to take responsibility for your own training.

    Still, some cops appear to be further along in the game than others...

    http://www.arrestling.com/Arrestling/Start.html
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    I guess it's good that practically everyone in the gym I go to is a cop (for the cops anyway)
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    The second article brings up some concerns but it does seem to have the typical Street vs Sport thing going for it. It even has the author correcting students who are "grappling" instead of "restraining". Not knowing what exactly was going on in the class, I can't truly comment on it.

    The one thing that is "telling" is this line:

    With all of the training I have done in Asian martial arts over the past 37 years...
    Again, it just comes off as a "...as a cop, you shouldn't buy into the hype of MMA" type article. I am curious what this individual's full training experience actually is.

    Then again, it looks like a poster named MikeM brought up a lot of good points already in that article.
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