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    Quote Originally Posted by zacharycbruce View Post
    I really didn't mean to upset anybody with my post, I did want to challenge people a bit in their way of thinking.
    In order to challenge an entrenched system of knowledge or discourse requires that you fundamentally understand the subject matter in order to deconstruct it and then challenge its assumptions.

    You don't seem to fit the above criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Oh, so you are trolling. Damn me, I fell for it again!

    It has nothing to do with logic, btw. Logic can be internally correct and come to the wrong conclusion because of incorrect/or lack of premise.

    And I already answered your question regarding what makes ippon ippon.

    Ben

    Oh no! Not trolling really, but then a troll would say that, wouldn't he?

    Seriously though, I am actually interested in other peoples point of view about this; about why people get so upset about the calls made by referees.

    As Judoka_Uk mentioned, it's "bloody obvious" that each individual referee will make a judgement call at the time. And it's also quite obvious that a referee can make a mistake. And most people are aware that most people are pretty confused about what the rules actually mean. So, once the competition is over, and the medals have been handed out and it's all written down in the history books, what's the point of making such a fuss about the obvious?
    I was hoping to get people to lighten up a little bit..
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    No disagreement, I thought we were talking about low level refereeing here because thats what the OP, myself and 99% of people on here will have to compete under when they do compete.

    National and international level comps are a whole other kettle of fish, there's a much higher level of professionalism and competence then you get at your local 2 bit interclub comp or grading.
    Yes, I understood. I was just expanding on your theme, and trying to express that the question(s) are a bit more complex than as posed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    In order to challenge an entrenched system of knowledge or discourse requires that you fundamentally understand the subject matter in order to deconstruct it and then challenge its assumptions.

    You don't seem to fit the above criteria.
    LOL! Nail on head

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacharycbruce View Post
    Oh no! Not trolling really, but then a troll would say that, wouldn't he?

    Seriously though, I am actually interested in other peoples point of view about this; about why people get so upset about the calls made by referees.

    As Judoka_Uk mentioned, it's "bloody obvious" that each individual referee will make a judgement call at the time. And it's also quite obvious that a referee can make a mistake. And most people are aware that most people are pretty confused about what the rules actually mean. So, once the competition is over, and the medals have been handed out and it's all written down in the history books, what's the point of making such a fuss about the obvious?
    I was hoping to get people to lighten up a little bit..
    Thank you for your efforts to educate us all on the proper attitude to take regarding referee decisions. Without your guidance I know that I would be lost for sure and would be working myself in to an acid reflux frenzy over it.

    Ben

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    I feel like I just lost by the forum equivalent of ippon.
    Or was it ippon?

    Shall we go to the replay?

    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    In order to challenge an entrenched system of knowledge or discourse requires that you fundamentally understand the subject matter in order to deconstruct it and then challenge its assumptions.

    You don't seem to fit the above criteria.


    You can't really argue with that, can you...
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