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    Pistol Carry Condition

    My Sig is a DA/SA. I carry it with loaded magazine inserted, round in the chamber, not cocked. However, with no safety all I have to do to fire is pull the trigger. Is that technically condition 2 or condition 1?

    Pistol carry conditions
    1. Loaded magazine inserted, round in the chamber, cocked and ready to fire
    2. Loaded magazine inserted, round in the chamber, not cocked
    3. Loaded magazine inserted, chamber empty, not cocked
    4. Magazine removed, chamber empty, slide locked back


    What condition do you keep your pistol in?
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    I guess that would be loaded/chambered/not cocked or "condition 2"

    WHen I carry my 1911 I always carry condition 1 "Cocked and locked"
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    My primary carry is a Glock, I carry with one in the chanber. Since it is DAO, it can't technically be "cocked", so I guess I am condition 1.5 like the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Money View Post
    My Sig is a DA/SA. I carry it with loaded magazine inserted, round in the chamber, not cocked. However, with no safety all I have to do to fire is pull the trigger. Is that technically condition 2 or condition 1?
    The answer to your question depends on your pistol's operation. If your Sig is truly decocked, then you've got Condition 2. If your Sig remains “pre-cocked” in some fashion, like a CZ single action pistol which can fire from half cock after actuation of the “decocking lever,” then you've got a lower condition.
    Quote Originally Posted by joecos View Post
    My primary carry is a Glock, I carry with one in the chanber. Since it is DAO, it can't technically be "cocked", so I guess I am condition 1.5 like the OP.
    An example of the “pre-cocked” condition I mentioned above addresses this as well, so I'm writing it after quoting you. First, here's a quote from an article on Hi Powers and Handguns:
    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen A. Camp
    Glock Safe Action: This is a term used by the company to describe what is essentially an assisted DAO automatic. In other words, pressing the trigger retracts the spring-loaded striker and then releases it. When the slide is cycled to chamber the initial cartridge or in firing, the striker is about 40% "cocked". Pressing the trigger results in a lighter trigger pull.
    Combining that with this excerpt from an article on The Sight's M1911 .45ACP Page (I know, this is a biased source):
    Quote Originally Posted by Glock vs. 1911
    Trigger - The one thing the Glock and the 1911 have in common is that their triggers are their greatest strength and weakness. The "revolutionary" design of the Glock centers on the trigger, the so-called "Safe Action Trigger." The Glock pre-cocks with the cycling of the slide so it can have a much lighter trigger than a true double action gun. [...] In my opinion, the Glock carries in Condition Zero, that is, hammer cocked with no real external safety applied.
    For these reasons, I'd say that your carry mode for your Glock is better described as Condition 0.5 :toothy5:

    I carry in Condition 3, only moving to Condition 1 when I've got reason to believe I'll need the pistol (such as entering a particularly snake-friendly part of the woods). I have not yet had to do so, but it remains my carry strategy...mostly because I only carry on my own property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irie Evergreen View Post
    The answer to your question depends on your pistol's operation. If your Sig is truly decocked, then you've got Condition 2. If your Sig remains “pre-cocked” in some fashion, like a CZ single action pistol which can fire from half cock after actuation of the “decocking lever,” then you've got a lower condition.
    Okay it'd be condition 2 then, since it is fully decocked. IMO, this nomenclature seems a bit confusing. Depending on the gun, condition 2 could mean that the gun could be fired just by pulling the trigger (da/sa) or not (sa).
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    Jericho941 (an Israeli CZ clone) condition 2 I've never felt comfortable with carrying with the hammer cocked.
    Ruger SR9/Glock 21 - I guess, based on the link, condition 0.
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    Condition 2 is probably where most people will be. It's safe...yet ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Skeletor View Post
    Condition 2 is probably where most people will be. It's safe...yet ready.
    IMO the only guns that should be carried in Condition 1 are single action automatics like 1911 and the XD series. It's worth noting that there's a modification for 1911s and Hi-Powers for the safety in which you push the hammer forward and the safety engages. Then when you release the safety the hammer jumps back to firing position. Allowing for reasonable Condition 2 carry from 1911s. I wasn't able to find information on it earlier today when I looked, perhaps someone else has that on hand.
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    On the rare occasions I carry, the pistol is at condition 2.

    Inside the gun safe at home, all of my weapons are at condition 3. Even though they are locked away, this makes me feel more secure because I know my son is not yet strong enough to chamber a round into any of my guns.
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    I also carry a Glock, so I guess it is in the 1.5 as stated above.
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