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    MABS Cull Brock Moody Sr: MMA has sloppy Technique

    As a student of Brock-Do-Jujitsu from the age of 7 to the age of 17, and being a part of what I will call Brock's "Inner Sanctum" for most of that time, I probably have more information and a more valid perspective than anyone on here.

    However, first love him or hate him, and I would probably be the latter, I would like to dispel the rumor that this guy doesn't know what he is doing. I trained with him for 10 years and was a black-belt and an instructor. I also fought with his school in many tournaments all over the country at other schools and by in large our students, including myself, would win or place very highly (though I do not have any of my trophies as he would not allow me to take them when I left).

    HOWEVER, this does not excuse all of the other messed up things going on there. It is definitely a cult and one that is not easily left, especially after a certain point. When you do leave it is true that they will try to track you down and bring you back in. As for Brock's personal transgressions...let's just say I would not want my kids hanging around there...they range everywhere from affairs with students and I can personally testify that some of them were not of appropriate/legal age, to serving alchohol to minors. He brings you into his "fold" as another person called it through a "ceremonial" weekend called hell-days which is about as nice as it sounds and is nothing more than an elaborate attempt to brainwash students who want to become instructors (you can't become an instructor there without going through hell-days), and he also makes you sign a statement that you will never talk about what happens there as well as a healthy dose of intimidation. I got out because he got insanely angry that I had gotten involved with a girl outside of the dojo and it was taking some of my time away from all of the parties, gatherings, and rituals that kept you so tied into the group that you didn't want to leave because you simply didn't know anybody else...it is a sick and sadistic place. I am glad that I was able to take the good lessons and the martial arts training and leave most of the bad behind but it took a couple of years to get over a lot of the psychological scarring! There is much more I could discuss but I will save that for possibly another time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgoodbb View Post
    However, first love him or hate him, and I would probably be the latter, I would like to dispel the rumor that this guy doesn't know what he is doing. I trained with him for 10 years and was a black-belt and an instructor. I also fought with his school in many tournaments all over the country at other schools and by in large our students, including myself, would win or place very highly (though I do not have any of my trophies as he would not allow me to take them when I left).


    All fine and dandy that you think he knows something, but he truly knows nothing. I have fought against some of his students in the past and they should not have been competing AT ALL. They were getting pounded right out the gate. Just look at the videos on youtube and it is claer to see the wretched technique that the students display. I know a few of the people that have attended his school and they have no ability in the least. Mr. Moody needs to step up and clear the air about his lineage and other claims.

    Its not that I am saying you are incorrect about the claims of you and your fellow students going places and winning, but I have yet to see any student of Brock's that was capable of winning any tourney.
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    However, first love him or hate him, and I would probably be the latter, I would like to dispel the rumor that this guy doesn't know what he is doing. I trained with him for 10 years and was a black-belt and an instructor. I also fought with his school in many tournaments all over the country at other schools and by in large our students, including myself, would win or place very highly (though I do not have any of my trophies as he would not allow me to take them when I left).
    Proof please because, this is claimed by everyone at questionable schools.
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    Credentials

    I am not defending his credentials as I am sure many of them are not true...though he is up front about the fact that he was the creator of his particular form of martial art. As to your claim about his students and tourney's, every dojo has better and worse students as far as talent goes. However, when I was there, by in large most of our students fared well at tournaments. However, I will give you that in recent history (last 5 years or so) I have gone back and viewed some of their demonstration ceremonies and his standards have gotten extremely lower as he has traded in art for commercialism in an effort to get/keep students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searcher66071 View Post
    All fine and dandy that you think he knows something, but he truly knows nothing. I have fought against some of his students in the past and they should not have been competing AT ALL. They were getting pounded right out the gate. Just look at the videos on youtube and it is claer to see the wretched technique that the students display. I know a few of the people that have attended his school and they have no ability in the least. Mr. Moody needs to step up and clear the air about his lineage and other claims.

    Its not that I am saying you are incorrect about the claims of you and your fellow students going places and winning, but I have yet to see any student of Brock's that was capable of winning any tourney.
    The problem is you want to equate credentials with knowledge and that isn't true. I could say the same thing when I fought there were MANY students from schools with credentials and lineage that frankly should not have been in the ring with me and weren't worth my time. Just because you went to a school with credentials doesn't mean that you know anything, it means that the guy who started it did. And just because you went to a school that doesn't have credentials does not mean that there is no knowledge. Those two things do not equal each other. I do think it is wrong that he tries to pass himself off as having all of these credentials that some he definitely does not and some he probably does not. And he definitely isn't a good person, but it is called martial ARTS for a reason. It is always growing and changing. And I don't know about your personal background but frankly most of the people on here are into the UFC/MMA stuff which frankly 90% of those guys couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. No form, no technique so I find it interesting that they can criticize someone else's technique. I am not defending him as a person, and I am not defending that school, in fact quite the opposite. However, as a person who knows probably more of the ins and outs of that place better than probably any student of his who is not still there, I do have to be honest and fair in my assessment. No place or thing is completely and totally bad, everything has some value, you just have to learn to sift through all of the crap to find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgoodbb View Post
    I am not defending his credentials as I am sure many of them are not true...though he is up front about the fact that he was the creator of his particular form of martial art. As to your claim about his students and tourney's, every dojo has better and worse students as far as talent goes. However, when I was there, by in large most of our students fared well at tournaments. However, I will give you that in recent history (last 5 years or so) I have gone back and viewed some of their demonstration ceremonies and his standards have gotten extremely lower as he has traded in art for commercialism in an effort to get/keep students.

    To save IIF from having to repeat himself, proof please of the tourney victories.

    I was fighting his students in the mid to late 90's and they sucked then, so I want this proof.
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    Here is where I know you are confused

    Here is where I know you are confused! If you had done any research into it you would know that Brock-Do-Jujitsu didn't even start until 1996, and I took part in the first ever tournament that they did which was hosted by them and almost all their students in 1999. We didn't really start participating in tournaments outside our dojo until 2001, so either you are confused or lieing...either way your facts are obviously not correct.
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    Here is where I know you are confused! If you had done any research into it you would know that Brock-Do-Jujitsu didn't even start until 1996, and I took part in the first ever tournament that they did which was hosted by them and almost all their students in 1999. We didn't really start participating in tournaments outside our dojo until 2001, so either you are confused or lieing...either way your facts are obviously not correct.

    As a matter of fact, I fought in one of Brock's little tourneys he held in Garnett way back then around 97 or so. Brock's boys were PATHETIC and when one of my cornermen started calling out Brock during the tourney, he wanted no part. The cornerman was a Louisburg TKD instructor(Darrell Klee) I knew from coaching and competing at other tourneys in the area. He cornered me, along with my brother-in-law, in the Brock version of knockdown(more like semi-knockdown). None of the other people competing had any ability or experience with fighting this style and were sad at best with the exception of the young blue belt from Wichita that I cornered against a couple of Brock's boys. That kid took the Brock-do students apart in short order. I bowed out after taking a TKD guy from Emporia apart(my third match). He also had little to no experience and had no place fighting in that style of tourney. Did you happen to be that skinny little kid that should have been observing and not competing? IIRC, they had no weight classes of rank divisions, fine for me, but bad for everyone else. I expressed my concerns to a guy named Kellerman, who was supposed to be running the tourney, but he showed little concern.

    I appologize to my fellow Bullshidoka for derailing this thread in a verbal sparring match. I see where dgoodbb is wanting a battle of wits and is obviously unarmed.

    Does that clear the air for you jacktard? I am still awaiting proof as to your schools winning ways. At that time I was very active on the local knockdown scene as well as the local point sparring circuits and I do not recall any Brock-do guys, AT ALL, let alone doing any good. It had to be in-house tourneys you were competing in.
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    You have nothing to add but garbage. So, I'm culling your silly necro out of the thread.

    Garnett, KS: Brock Moody Sr's Brock-Do-Jujitsu is WORSE than [some other Bullshidoka] - Page 11 - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

    He says mid to late 90s and while admonishing him, implying he is confused or a liar, you confirm his statement.

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    I was fighting his students in the mid to late 90's and they sucked then, so I want this proof.

    I'll let the others rip your stupid statistics apart hypocrite.
    No place or thing is completely and totally bad, everything has some value, you just have to learn to sift through all of the crap to find it.
    No, you don't. You can be intelligent and train somewhere without crap. So, how about you quit trying to justify the time you wasted and add something to the original thread? If not welcome to YMAS. Your hypocritical statements are going to get picked apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgoodbb View Post
    most of the people on here are into the UFC/MMA stuff which frankly 90% of those guys couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. No form, no technique
    You're ignorant on a number of fronts. In no particular order: If you look in the upper right corner of every post you'll see a style field that lists each poster's current/primary style(s). You'll see that most of them are TMAs. In fact, we have Traditional Arts subforums where members can wear their black pajamas and magic pants without fear of reprisal. And if you take the time to read more, you'll find that even members who list MMA as their style generally come from a background of one or more traditional arts.

    Bullshido isn't necessarily enamored of MMA itself (although many members are fans/competitors/coaches), but of MMA's training methodolgies and willingness to test their skills. When We learn of a TMA school that trains live there is much rejoicing.

    You have little or no knowledge of professional MMA. If you did you would know that the days of "big dudes whaling on each other 'til one fall down" are largely gone. MMA pro's have highly refined skillsets, often because they come from and/or train with teachers from traditional disciplines.

    You've never been in a street fight. Being in just one would have taught you that form and technique are rarely the deciding factors.
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