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  1. atomicpoet is offline

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    Philosophical question: if you revive a HEMA, does it suddently become a contemporary European martial art (CEMA)?

    Case in point: Quarterstaff. No matter how much you attempt to recreate something historicity of an art, it will be coloured by our modern context. We may not be battling the Sherriff of Nottingham, but there's plenty of blunt sticks that can be easily found in any urban environment. At the moment you actually use the art, it no longer becomes historical, and suddenly becomes contemporary.

    If an art is actually useful, why not use a contemporary term like "instructor", "teacher", or "coach"? That way people will know its modern value.
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    Philosophically, it's just a matter of perspectives; a HEMA practitioner who pulled off a "historically accurate" technique in self defense would probably see it in those terms, rather than as having suddenly shifted the HEMA paradigm.

    Many people in various HEMA disciplines have revived the historically appropriate terms for ranks, etc., in the same way that they often revive the original terminologies of whatever they're practicing. It's part of the fun, partly also a useful common (inter-club) language as HEMA styles become more widely practiced.

    The term "master" (meister, maitre, maestro, etc.) has been very controversial in HEMA circles, even though it was historically used by martial arts teachers throughout Europe and implied nothing more than "respected teacher". Unfortunately, the original meaning has become obscured by decades of pop-culture representations of "martial arts masters". The controversy is compounded by the fact that modern fencing still includes "master" as an advanced formal rank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR View Post
    Philosophically, it's just a matter of perspectives; a HEMA practitioner who pulled off a "historically accurate" technique in self defense would probably see it in those terms, rather than as having suddenly shifted the HEMA paradigm.

    Many people in various HEMA disciplines have revived the historically appropriate terms for ranks, etc., in the same way that they often revive the original terminologies of whatever they're practicing. It's part of the fun, partly also a useful common (inter-club) language as HEMA styles become more widely practiced.

    The term "master" (meister, maitre, maestro, etc.) has been very controversial in HEMA circles, even though it was historically used by martial arts teachers throughout Europe and implied nothing more than "respected teacher". Unfortunately, the original meaning has become obscured by decades of pop-culture representations of "martial arts masters". The controversy is compounded by the fact that modern fencing still includes "master" as an advanced formal rank.
    Ironically, I find myself in the same position with the Korean Buddhist fighting arts, some of which is modern influence, some historical reconstruction, some historical tradition, and is also tied in with the religion.

    My religious title is "Beopsa", which literally means "Dharma Master/Teacher". Given that the Buddhist martial arts use the term "beop" to mean both Dharma (Bulbeop/Buddhadharma) and "method" (Gwonbeop/Fist Method/Boxing). So...all sorts of cultural & historic meaning there...but...

    The question is...what do I have the gwailohs call me?
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    Midget.
    You sonovabitch....
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    is this bs still going on?
    selfdefense is used on the streets, who rule the streets?
    pimps.

    pimpdaddy.

    pimpdaddy is the title you wanna go for.
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    compromise on pimpmaestro.
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    compromise on pimpmaestro.
    we have a winner!
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