Stem cell orthopedics
So i met one of the surgeons from the Steelers Sports Medicine team last month.
He had lived with knee pain for years, a result of old skiing and running injuries.
Well overdue for a replacement, he opted for stem-cell injections from the Centeno-Schultz Clinic.
Now closing on 70 years old, he has been pain free for four years.
He also completed the Kona Ironman last month, in the top ten in his age group.
The CliffsNotes version is this: Centeno uses a needle to withdraw a small amount of marrow from a bone near your hip. He gives the red, fatty fluid to a technician who mixes it with a lab-prepared blend of factors that makes the stem cells contained in the fluid grow rapidly. Later that day, the fluid is injected into the area of injury. Almost immediately, the stem cells drawn from your bone marrow look around for something useful to do. Depending on the local chemical environment and the type of cells they attach to, they'll end up becoming new cartilage or muscle tissue, replenishing and rebuilding what's already there.
As a therapist who works with broken athletes all the time, i find this a huge leap.
Knee replacements are incredibly invasive, that they can sometimes be avoided with an injection just blows me away.
So since i know there are lots of injured folks out there in BS world, i was wondering if anyone has had a knee or hip replaced, invasive joint surgery etc.
How satisfied are you with the results and would you consider stem-cell therapy in the future?
Personally, i think this stuff is amazing...
Sweet. Maybe I can get the VA to fill my knees full of dead baby when I make the drive to Danville to get reassessed...
Honestly, though, I'd be about it. Be nice if my knees didn't hurt for even a few months.
Read the quote...
I've got extensive knee damage but have not had surgery. I would however definitely like to give this method a try. The whole needle in the hip thing doesn't sound like much fun but the proceedure sounds a hell of a lot better than the surgical option I was given. Do you know how many times this proceedure needs to be done for results and how long it takes?
You are encouraged to walk the same day.
Sometimes multiple injections are required, but often not.
IIRC, even in those cases of multiple injections, they only harvest once and just keep growing the cells.
Down time is minimal to nonexistent. Fucking amazing.
That was meant to be a joke.
Originally Posted by ChenPengFi
Anyhow, after reading more about it, I want some. 2-3 weeks off the knee? Fine, I can do that. Anyone see anything about how much it costs? All I've seen so far is that insurance won't cover it and there's $450+ up front before the procedure starts.
Quick edit.. lol..
Originally Posted by wetware
I know it's kind of an Appeal to Authority (not all fallacies by form are indeed invalid), but as a surgeon for the Steelers, you'd think he'd know all of the best knee guys in the country.
I found it interesting he chose this route.
He's an old guy and he's been pain free for years.
That was what piqued my curiosity.
I have old shoulder and knee injuries i might get looked at.
I think I'll drop them a line and see if they do anything with the VA. If there's enough information on it, I'm sure the VA will be more likely to do something like this than buying me a new set of knees down the road to be installed via surgery.
Figured as much, you can do better...
Originally Posted by wetware
Dunno about the VA etc.
It is cutting edge stuff and i imagine most of it would come out of pocket.
That said, downtime for a replacement vs $$$ is a personal call.
There are resources to send in your images for a consultation, which may be covered according to the FAQs.
Be aware that though this procedure is probably safe there no good evidence (i.e. randomised controlled trials) for its efficacy and this company is currently doing a complex dance to avoid FDA regulation.
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