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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahsumino View Post
    i noticed your military tag,ok my question is which of the two do you see working? in any knife attack

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    For the record, my military training has nothing to do with my answer. Computers rarely attacked me head on with a knife...my ex-fiance in the military on the other is a different story. The second vid shows the defender trying to keep a good distance from the blade while moving away from the line of attack. So I see that being more effective then Holloway's redirection tactics as the only means of avoiding the cut.
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    Does the Government of Australia run the certification body?

    As far as I'm aware, Holloway only recently gained qualification from :

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gold-C...5893645?ref=ts

    Now, Australian Government Policy may well require people to hold these qualifications, that doesn't mean however; "...certified by the Australian Government" (emphasis mine)

    This is a good example of ambiguity - holding those qualifications isn't specifically the question, I don't doubt Holloway actually does, it's the nature of the statements he presents in the public domain which, through their ambiguity, intentionally lead people to another conclusion.

    Same with his statements about training Military and Special Forces. I have no doubt that Holloway has taught people in those professions as individual students but, that doesn't warrant him suggesting through ambiguous wording, as if he's employed directly to train such groups.

    That is the nature of my issue with Holloway.
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    there are other claims on linkedin
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    http://www.linkedin.com/in/lukeholloway

    it's interesting that this Luke Holloway misspells Chochise University
    "Coshise University" which doesn't exist, as far as google can tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mimo View Post
    The recent info on (Luke Holloway) ie Linkedin info. is NOT the LH in question.

    The other info is a DIFFERENT Luke Holloway and true to my knowledge. I dont understand the abundance of info to the Public eye but THAT Luke Holloway is as stated.


    Rookie IO data thrown up by the looks but hey at least it is a step in the right direction.

    Doing this ie; choosing the wrong info and posting is a little disturbing for the poor guy
    in this case LH 2 (Luke Holloway 2)

    I will let you know what I find out about the Luke Holloway 1 in question.


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    er...I'm not sure you have any credability left, after your **** posts on this topic. You know this Luke Holloway personally????? what are the odds eh? tiny tiny world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mimo View Post
    If in fact he is teaching PUBLICALLY. I don't think he is teaching BlackOps et al. and if he were he wouldn't be telling anyone right?
    Really?

    He seems fine with advertising it

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    OK this whole witch-hunt appears like a BIG Semantic oversight.
    Again, really? on who's part, ours for misunderstanding something which isn't correct or, Holloway's for his liberal use of ambiguity which created it ?
    Quote Originally Posted by mimo View Post
    Navy Seals or any other Military personnel As they are not the Almanacs of knife fighting and if they want to pick up a technique or two then so be it. If you were posted in East Timor with a bunch of rusty knife and Machete wielding attackers you sure would want to know what you`d do next with an empty clip and standard mil routine. You would want to know some of the local intel prior but that isnt always given to all ranks. Weather the Military ask guys like him openly or not to assist and couldnt tell you how many times "publically certified" people milk the system. They are all the same to me.
    How long were you in the armed forces? I ask because you really don't know what you're talking about.

    Been to East Timor ? Iraq or even Afghanistan ? No.. I didn't think so. So once again you espouse opinion which isn't supported by direct experience.
    Quote Originally Posted by mimo View Post
    OK so NOW we are talking about experienced and qualified and certified?

    I thought about that whilst inflight and let you know some FACTS.


    Approx. 50,000 US "COMBAT READY" troops in Japan then add State Dept brothers and sisters and then all the family including brats. Some of the biggest issues arise in Clubs and Pubs in which servicemen frequent. There are also those that CARRY. Thats right folks Mil and ex-Mil that carry blades and what not in Japan. If this guy is a Bouncer, Security or whatever he may have exposure to this I may just want to have a sit down with him.
    Facts indeed. You talk with some degree of authority considering you're not in Japan. So what if he's taught these people, he runs a publicly accessible business, people can walk in off the street, that doesn't mean he's a trainer of Military/Special Forces in the way he implies.
    Quote Originally Posted by mimo View Post
    Yes they are professionals but they arent combat Almanacs for the most part.
    LMAO sure whatever you say.

    Infantry soldiers and their ground support staff are those who are at the forefront of risk, these are the cross-section of the military community who, if anyone, might be seen as needing specialist training, however; ask yourself the question though, if H2H and knife fighting in all it's guises was so all important for these people, why has the US government only this year, dropped bayonet training as part of their skill set ? the answer is, because it's rarely needed in modern warfare. If you or Holloway had any military operational experience you'd know that.
    Quote Originally Posted by mimo View Post
    Where do you think the Military learn their stuff? Partly from Civilians jeeze someone needs to get out of his desk. lol
    Yep civis provide a number of specialist skill sets but it is taught to formed units - you know so everyone has the same skills - when individuals go and find this stuff for themselves, that's off their own backs and has NOTHING directly to do with established military doctrine.
    Quote Originally Posted by mimo View Post
    That statement means nothing. Really doesn't indicate your rank or experience.
    I'm a non-commissioned officer, holding Defence instructional qualifications. I teach military personnel tactics and marksmanship holding Expert classification. I've served operationally in both domestic and foreign theatre, I will be deploying to Afghanistan for another Middle Eastern tour at the end of next year.

    I think that gives me the ability and credibility to critique someone claiming to teach military personnel. You might not think so but who are you anyway? Some war dodging gaijin who thinks because he uses WiTopia to mask his IP and location that gives him anonymity ?
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    I think he is a good shot - from what Ive seen on YouTube and tell me who puts REAL stuff on the net anyway.
    Flawed argument.

    You don't know much if anything about marksmanship and now you're suggesting Holloway is intentionally putting not-real stuff on the net. Well thought out reasoning, really you must be proud of that one.
    Quote Originally Posted by mimo View Post
    C`mon most Mil stuff is rudimentary and boring.
    Sure, that's why people like Holloway exploit it right ?

    But how do you know that Mil stuff is rudimentary and boring.. That's right you don't, another example of a flawed argument based on no direct personal experience.
    Quote Originally Posted by mimo View Post
    I like his Marketing approach ☺ got your attention.
    I'm sure you'd make an excellent Raw Combat student, why don't you pop over to one of his websites like a good little sycophant, and let Mr. Holloway know we're discussing him in the public domain.
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    More intentional publicity from Holloway of teaching Military and Special Forces, this time to a much wider community.

    So Mimo, there doesn't seem to be much of a Semantic oversight here.

    He even goes on to say he doesn't care about what I or we think of his bullshit, so why should you.

    One things for sure, when people search for Luke Holloway they're likely to find this thread, Holloway might not care but I'm sure there'll be others out there who do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahsumino View Post
    his vid
    YouTube - Taichi Knife Techniques - Raw Combat Japan (英語:日本語)
    theres alot of problems with this

    vs an actual filipino teacher
    YouTube - Sundangan
    Critique of Taiji Knife Training:

    Considering Progressive Fighting Systems' knife work includes Taijiquan, I feel that this is the perfect video to critique.

    Again, I have no idea what system of Taijiquan Holloway is basing this off of, because he has never released information on who his Taijiquan instructors were, how long he trained with them, and what proficiency he achieved.

    1) You'll note the defensive position of the arms on unarmed defenders. They are pressed against their bodies. They will have a hard time isolating or clinching the knife arm from this position, but most notably...THE NECK IS COMPLETELY EXPOSED. Again, we see Luke Holloway teaching his students how to get killed. While being cut anywhere is not an option in a knife fight, considering how quickly shock can set in, consider taking a shallow slice across your pectoral muscle versus taking even the most shallow slice across your carotid. Which is the more threatening wound?

    Look at the angles that Holloway is demonstrating in this drill. Slices travel along angles, and the same angle to the body can also pass through the neck. Further, postures protecting your neck with your forearms also protect the body. Marginally protecting the body at the expense of taking a cut to the neck is completely unacceptable, amatuerish, and ignorant.

    This is extremely telling, and it forces me to conclude that Holloway never studied edged weapons under anyone who had ever actually used edged weapons in combat.

    2) @1:20..."Try to be like a post in the ground." Rooting in a knife fight? No attempt to create distance between you and the blade. No angling footwork to remove your body from the path of the blade. Just rotating around a post in the ground. His pass & pull technique looks great on a compliant component. I'd like to see it pulled off against a resistant knifer. He states he can pull his opponent off balance because he's stuck to the ground. For a law enforcement certification teacher, I wonder what experience he has with the Tueller drill.

    3) @4:20 Holloway's feeder comes at him with a downward right to left slash, Angle One, San Migeul, Kesa-giri, whatever you want to call it. Holloway reaches up INSIDE THE SLICE to attempt to catch the knife arm. He does by EXPOSING HIS WRIST TO THE ONCOMING BLADE.

    Do I seriously have to explain why this is a fatal mistake? Let's think about what you have located in your wrist, and how little skin and fat protect it, with no bones protecting them either.

    Again, we see Luke Holloway, ostensibly trained and certified by law enforcement, teaching something that will get you killed by the average person, much less by someone trained with edged weapons.

    I once again have to conclude that Holloway never trained in any system of edged weapons that derived from actual combat experience.

    Every time in the video someone comes at Holloway with a knife, HE MAKES NO ATTEMPT TO MOVE HIS BODY OFF LINE OF THE ATTACK, relying only on redirecting with his arms, reaching for the knife.

    These are amatuerish, amatuerish mistakes.

    This isn't a disagreement on methodology or system, these are blatant, brutal mistakes that will get you killed, that anyone legitimately trained in edged weapons can see.

    4) @6:30. "My stance is ****." He has his feeder engage in a contest of strength against his arm...when his opponent is armed with a blade. There is nothing keeping his opponent from choosing another angle.

    5) @ 6:50. "Lot of people like to fight on their tiptoes, no balance, it's very easy to sweep them." Holloway expresses his distane for light footwork for light footwork that would keep you out of reach of the knife in favor of rooting.

    Again, no actual experience in knife fighting.

    6) @7:20 "I move my body with the knife." Except he doesn't. There's no evasion off of the angle of the blade.

    In the Sundangan video posted, the unarmed participant, when he does use his arms to intercept the knife arm, angles his body off line, and protects his wrists from the angle of the blade.

    And you'll note in the end, he still gets "killed". That's the reality of unarmed vs. knife.

    It's not about fancy disarms, it's about minimizing the damage in hopes of surviving long enough to deal with your attacker, or disengage.
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    Aside from the issue of not moving yourself out of harm's way, I don't really get how a person could use rooting often in a professional use of force. As I understand it, armed professionals have to be on the move and respond to others who are also on the move.
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