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  1. captainzorikh is offline

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    Posted On:
    11/17/2010 12:18am


     Style: grappling, swordfighting

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!

    Lots of new SCA training videos

    On a local SCA message board someone posyted this extensive list of training videos for SCA fighters. I thought IU would re-post the list here. I wanted to know what some of you folks thought of them and I also thought some people might be interested.

    Some of these have been posted before, but most have not. The list is divided up into sections for general/sword & shield. great weapon, and spear.


    SCA suggested YouTube Videos new fighters should watch:

    Introduction to the SCA
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fmITnKAfptA

    Medieval Warriors in a Campground in Pennsylvania
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=zJA1-RpHWkE& feature=related

    SCA tv spot
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=8vljdsfphks& feature=related

    Heavy Weapons Training Videos:

    Duke Uther’s Combat Training: 1
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Ee_iLBao2bw

    Duke Brannos Training Video
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=HzTZVsaKhrY& NR=1

    Asgard System sword drills and techniques
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jF3fDo60fs4& feature=related

    Asgard System sword drills and techniques 2
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=x7GxlqKTDJE& NR=1

    Lucan Dux teaches in An Tir 4/17/10 Part One
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0AgLv716maA

    Lucan Dux teaches in An Tir 4/17/10 Part 2
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=oVAs5g358dk& feature=related

    Lucan Dux teaches in An Tir 4/17/10 Part 3
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=nuNxd1FuiK4& feature=related

    Lucan Dux teaches in An Tir 4/17/10 Part 4
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=S0YOFFRI61M& feature=related

    Lucan Dux teaches in An Tir 4/17/10 Part 5
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=E7Usy-fRoUg& feature=related

    Lucan Dux teaches in An Tir 4/17/10 Part 6
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Rj6H1db9MvE& feature=related

    HE Sir Sagan “the Kingmaker” teaches Practice vs. Training Part 1 3/20/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=gdNL5_IMnoA

    HE Sir Sagan “the Kingmaker” teaches Practice vs. Training Part 2 3/20/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=k99LPSEpMF4& feature=related

    HE Sir Sagan “the Kingmaker” teaches Practice vs. Training Part 3 3/20/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=P15e0qOx1Vg& feature=related

    HE Sir Sagan “the Kingmaker” teaches Practice vs. Training Part 4 3/20/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0z-8NIQvudU& feature=related

    HE Sir Sagan “the Kingmaker” teaches Practice vs. Training Part 5 3/20/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=BC_CCXKTOWc& feature=related

    HE Sir Sagan teaches “Body Motion and Sword Motion” Part 1 – 3/21/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=PPinsgr_ jvI

    HE Sir Sagan teaches “Body Motion and Sword Motion” Part 2 – 3/21/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=C9EiULzVdxc& feature=related

    HE Sir Sagan teaches “Body Motion and Sword Motion” Part 3 – 3/21/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=TdDlKdr3Rw0& feature=related

    HE Sir Sagan teaches “Body Motion and Sword Motion” Part 4 – 3/21/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Hj1YH0GzZp4& feature=related

    HE Sir Sagan teaches “Body Motion and Sword Motion” Part 5 – 3/21/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=ucTPXX9YD8E& feature=related

    HE Sir Sagan teaches “Body Motion and Sword Motion” Part 6 – 3/21/10
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=ob3a9cayybo& feature=related

    Duke U pt 1 (Duke Erin Brech teaches two sword)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=dr0Z9LR0pqk& feature=related

    Duke U pt 2 (More Duke Erin)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=QnLtw_XHB8A& feature=related

    Duke U pt 3 (final segment Duke Erin on two swords)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=erDDQf6Ftp4& feature=related

    Duke U pt 4 (Duke Baldar Session - teaching Spear)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=aVCuRzuqg8k& feature=related

    Duke U pt 5 (more spear with Duke Baldar)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=QvRPx-qHxy0& feature=related

    Duke U pt 6 (Duke Gaston Teaches Sword Drills and Techniques)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=0623pJjtx6s& feature=related

    Duke U pt 7 (More with Duke Gaston)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=g-K2pQ1m8Hw& feature=related

    Duke U pt 8 (The conclusion of my footage with Duke Gaston)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=4Jsbu6VkLyA& feature=related

    Brendan simple combination SCA Heavy Fighting
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=RzyHmbPMKsY& NR=1

    Res Ducis: Gaston, Terminology (July)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=RDCdHvaPtZc

    Res Ducis, Gaston: Terminolgy2 (July)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=gDXGTSBhaJ8

    Res Ducis, Gaston:Terminology 3 (August)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=eAH5xj73jl8& feature=related

    Res Ducis, Gaston:Part 4 (September)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=ZVHlqUhDPGM& feature=related

    Res Ducis, Gaston: October Video
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Y-kXy2tPnig& feature=related

    Res Ducis – Duke Tadashi’s Two Sword Class, 1 / 2
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=VCbJHGYI0hI

    Res Ducis – Duke Tadashi’s Two Sword Class, 2 / 2
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Moxtj5nQH3c& feature=related

    Res Ducis Gaston: November, Commentary part 2
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=RJyNdp8ElMw

    A Lesson in Flatsnap Technique (Duke Michael of Bedford)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=o27bsNKMbxE& feature=related

    GREAT WEAPON:

    Duke Davin teaches Great Weapons Part 1
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=BhtmzCCfyJU& feature=related

    Duke Davin teaches Great Weapons Part 2
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=AvsrtfIHMpU& feature=related

    Duke Davin teaches Great Weapons Part 3
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=QsIv56Ylwqc& feature=related

    Duke Davin teaches Great Weapons Part 4
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=mKit-FrP7v8

    Duke Davin teaches Great Weapons Part 5
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=P8hAD3Fw7uk& feature=related

    Bellatrix on 2 H Sword
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Q846uUCR3zU& feature=related

    Footwork #1: the simple Step (or Pass)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=zUmHwNVyE7Y& feature=related

    Triangular Footwork (Used for Martial arts, but some of this concept
    applies to SCA footwork)
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Jse6aKkehC8& feature=related

    SPEAR:
    BrannosSpearClass. 1.wmv
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=1IFfQTuIZMw

    BrannosSpearClass. 2.wmv
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=XIO6g6QAm3Y& feature=related

    BrannosSpearClass. 3.wmv
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=QNMAfTK0gug& feature=related

    BrannosSpearClass. 4.wmv
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jN9b_2gfZ5Q

    BrannosSpearClass. 5.wmv
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=HfSxLT3L_ ZY&feature= related

    BrannosSpearClass. 6.wmv
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=iQ0WhK- Od4A&feature= related

    Testing SCA Strikes on Tatami Mats
    http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jQGTyolEuBA& feature=related
  2. StygianChains is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/08/2010 3:49am

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     Style: Fencing-TKD-Capoeira

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    This list was re-posted to the local (Midrealm) mailing list as well. I've not seen all of them, but knowing a few armoured fighters who use these as a basis for their training I'll say the following:

    If you're not familiar with SCA heavy combat, it's something akin to a point-based tournament match.

    Many of the "sword" techniques have more place in Arnis or Escrima as the reflexive properties of the rattan weapon simulators are used to advantage in our game. Steel just does not behave that way.

    The edge strikes with a single sword are designed to cause a percussive impact and contain very little cutting motion one should expect from an edged weapon. On an unarmoured enemy, they're sufficient, if not historically accurate. Though the SCA does many things that are very historically accurate, safety dictates major armour be used when we're assumed to be wearing little more than a chain shirt, it's a combat game, after all. A hit's a hit and considered fatal or debilitating, if it's hard enough.

    Hard edge-blocks are used for sword on sword deflections/parries because of the mechanical assistance imparted by the position of the hand. Extant period manuals stress very strongly to parry the edge with the flat of the blade at an angle to redirect the blow, not to stop it. Or to cut with your edge against the flat of their blade at an angle to both deflect and counter with one movement. To avoid needlessly nicking the edge of your own blade, instead use the flexibility and width of the cross section spread out the impact. Much like spreading your arms and slapping the mat in a breakfall.

    That's what I know, and can think of right offhand from my limited firsthand experience in SCA heavy combat. That's only Sword and Shield.

    If you'd like, I can make some inquiries of the heavies after the holiday break in practice. Those that are versed in the traditional styles are always willing to discuss what differs between their game and (our best educated guess of) how it was really done.
  3. captainzorikh is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/15/2010 1:08am


     Style: grappling, swordfighting

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    HI Styg. Welcome aboard.

    I was actually hoping to get some thoughts from some of the folks who had been posting critiques of SCA fighting and training techniques on the "SCA Combat" thread on this forum. Give it a read. It gets a little repetitive about every 10 pages or so, but there is some good stuff there.
  4. StygianChains is offline

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    Posted On:
    12/15/2010 5:37am

    Bullshido Newbie
     Style: Fencing-TKD-Capoeira

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I see what you mean, a counter-point to the "unorganized" or "non-systemic" arguments against SCA armoured combat qualifying as a martial art. I read quite a few pages of the thread after you mentioned it; I'll try to get back to the rest at some point later.

    I don't fight heavy much. I'm a tiny dude (125-ish lbs at 5'10"), and frankly the weight of the shield and helm wear me out very quickly. I also don't get to travel much to see the fighters from other areas.

    My local group's Knight Marshall makes a point to train our fighters in a set of techniques that: A) Apply enough force to score a hit without unneeded physical exertion. B) Defend oneself effectively through use of footwork and the tools available in the match, including dampening a blow or forcing it to glance off of armour. These seem like good training goals for a fight of any kind, rules and protective gear or no.

    It accomplishes the same basic things as any system with a rule set. We wore pads, and weren't allowed to make contact against the head while sparring in TKD. This kept us from bleeding all over the floor and bouncing our brains around inside our skulls. If our friends are still alive, we can fight them again another time. I really can't see how beating on our canned friends with rattan is any different.

    The competitive will train hard, whatever the format of their competition. It's pretty basic logic even for people who get clubbed in the dome regularly.

    Definitions of "Art" seem to be very personal to some people. I don't find anything wrong with this, but I think it's really the heart of the argument.

    A side note for Captainzorikh, you might want to try getting hold of Michael Longcor regarding training. A former student of his is a member of our local group, both retired from fighting now, but very much respected for their dedication and skill. I'll ask the second individual if he'd like to join the discussion if he comes to practice tomorrow.

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