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  1. tao.jonez is offline
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    Police Pepper Spray a Second Grader

    Colorado police pepper spray a 2nd grader.



    The child was already in a special class for behavior problems, and was threatening to kill students and faculty with a sharp stick. Was the police response excessive? Thoughts?
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    Well.. It's always going to be hard to make a judgement call on secondhand information, but to be honest, I think the pepper spray is a much better alternative than trying to grapple with him while he is intending to injure someone. What if he poked out the eye of the officer trying to carry him out of the room?
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    There is a simple solution to this kids behaviour:

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    Damn kid should have known how to act.
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    The child was already in a special class for behavior problems
    This information is new to me. I digged into this story a few days ago,
    and precisely could only confirm that the school had a counselor, not special classes.

    This, in all likelihood, is a cover-up attempt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiro Protagonist View Post
    This information is new to me. I digged into this story a few days ago,
    and precisely could only confirm that the school had a counselor, not special classes.

    This, in all likelihood, is a cover-up attempt.
    Possbly - I can't find the source; my wife read me this information earlier today. Should have looked closer before posting.
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    No, it's quite unclear. The school's very website pretty much suggests they have special classes, but they haven't.

    This kid was in a normal classroom all along - even though there were two incidents recorded by the police already.

    The kid is not responsible for his actions, and neither is the police.
    The teachers are. The name of the counsellor was, IIRC, Mrs. Swineheart.

    Better name was never given.
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    This can be argued both ways. You would normally think restraining an eight year old would be a lot better than using mace but take it from a former primary teacher it can be harder to do than it looks without causing injury to the child.

    At the same time while the use of mace reduced the risk of serious injury the blinding effect and pain could be considered more traumatic to such a young person.
    As to it being the teachers fault I think thats a little one sided. Practically he was in their care at the time he grabbed the stick so yes they are responsible for that element but his behaviour issues and anger are more likely to come from and have been learned in the home environment.
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    When I was growing up, there was a very simple way of dealing with problematic kids that were not mentally deranged. It involved a backhand, and further backhand if the message did not get across. Worked wonders for curing ADD and general retardation in public (i.e. crying "mommy mommy buy me that overpriced plastic crap, I want it NOW or I call child services.")
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    If the kid had a sharpened stick or whatever, I guess the cops were technically justified in using pepper spray. But I've got to think that with a little more thought they could've come up with a better way to handle this.

    I have a good friend who is a cop. He's a former Marine and a long time martial artist. He's constantly bitching about other cops who over-react because in his words - they're pussies.

    They have to babysit crazies at the hospital sometimes. Some cops will leave a ************ handcuffed for 12 hours even though they've shown no signs of violence just because they're scared of having a physical confrontation. My friend chooses to treat them like human beings and even the crazies usually respond well to him. On the rare occasion that they step out of line, he'll choke their ass unconscious and cuff them to the bed.

    I have a hard time believing multiple grown men couldn't subdue an 8 year old without pepper spray - stick or no stick.
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