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  1. King Sleepless is offline
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    I wonder how badly I would get hurt if i tried some of those the next time i go to the gym?
    Anyone on how effective grabbing a lb of flesh really is?
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    That guy was wearing a Pancrase shirt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I wonder how badly I would get hurt if i tried some of those the next time i go to the gym?
    Anyone on how effective grabbing a lb of flesh really is?
    When done with a casual dismissive attitude... something like "" I will just grab really hard" then it is not particularly effective. When done properly where you actually take small amounts and rip it away from the rest of the person and do so multiple times? it can be very effective. Its also a nice technique when you incorporate "hammer and anvil type leverage."

    For example: Using an arm, your tib or fib and pushing loose flesh against it, much as you would use a stick to push against to increase a lock on the fingers, or as something to push skin against... very small amounts of skin though, not pounds!

    Generally when Koshi is done right it should be based on the same leverage anthing else would be. Otherwise if it does not kick in you are comprimised. Hint: the way most people think about these techniques is not the way they are supposed to be done,,, when done properly the pain is so great that one can puke, pass out, ect. Otherwise how will they work when adrenaline is involved? Also they are done in areas with lotsa nerves to increase pain.

    Even with this attention to detail one should use them as part of a strategy and not rely upon them. The worse one I ever had done to me was by Dale Seigo years back. It was a sacrifice type throw from (Koto Ryu) a double grab to the throat. He grabbed the underside of the tricepts and I swore my skin was ripped away. He did it in the spirit of constructive inquiry BTW and I was glad to understand 'Koshi" even if it was in front of a bunch of Guardian Angels laughing as I flapped around like a carp on deck.
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    DSimon- any chance of videos demonstrating good koshi.
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    I did jjj for a bit we did a move called the nerve wheel throw stand up you grab the latts roll them like you a kneeding dough and then spin your opponant into the floor like a hand throw.
    that did hurt like hell admitedly
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    If someone tried pinching me while rolling I would have to go for a d34dly ey3 g0uge
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    uhhh yeah....there is a reason those moves are "forbidden"...
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