11/16/2010 3:52pm, #101
after watching Hardy's videos......he shouldnt even be teaching TKD.....by Korea standards his skill level is yellow belt.
if im not mistaken, i think one can teach as a 1st Dan but they have to have an instructor's license......thats the gist i got from my senior's broken engrish.
11/16/2010 4:44pm, #102
Also, from one of Hardy's MySpace pages:
I would go on to formally train in Taekwondo under Brad Tinnon of the U.S Taekwondo Center of Master Pyong Tuk Ko. Under Sa Bum Nim Tinnon, I learned WTF Taekwondo and was exposed to Hapkido and Tai Chi in my trainning too. Brad Tinnnon moved on to affiliation with the Action Arts Academy, and I was in his first class of testing black belts, earning my 1st Dan in WTF Taekwondo from him in a mere 2 and a half years opposed to the normal 5 to 6 years.
11/16/2010 5:06pm, #103
That is interesting because his earlier post, in this thread, states:
- I formally trained under Brad Tinnon for about 4 years. i attained a 1st Dan from him in WTF Taekwondo. As part of the training for higher belts there was basic Hapkido for self defense, and some advanced belts worked a tai chi form. I picked up the Hapkido from Mr. Tinnon and The Tai Chi form from fellow students. I later recieved my 2nd Dan in Taekwondo from the Taekwondo branch of the WUMA
11/16/2010 5:10pm, #104
- Join Date
- Nov 2012
- San Diego
- street paddleboarding
Not necessarily. It could have taken him 2.5 years to get his black belt and then he continued training there another 1.5 years.
11/16/2010 5:25pm, #105
11/16/2010 6:11pm, #106I would go on to formally train in Taekwondo under Brad Tinnon of the U.S Taekwondo Center of Master Pyong Tuk Ko. Under Sa Bum Nim Tinnon, I learned WTF Taekwondo and was exposed to Hapkido and Tai Chi in my trainning too. Brad Tinnnon moved on to affiliation with the Action Arts Academy
- Sa Bum Nim is a 3rd degree/dan black belt. If we are assuming that WTF requires head instructors to be 4th degree in order to promote students to black belt, then Mr Tinnon didn't have those credentials WITH THE WTF (kukkiwon).
- Mr Tinnon affiliated with another academy (Action Arts) who very well may have had a 4th degree/dan head instructor on staff. At that point, the head instructor at Action Arts, if affiliated with the WTF, could promote Mr Tinnon's students (which includes Mr Hardy) under kukkiwon rules.
The discussion of the TKD credentials is a horrible distraction at this point. Mr Hardy (probably) has a 1st degree/dan black belt through the WTF/kukkiwon. With what we understand, he can NOT promote students through the WTF. He has no affiliation with the WTF and is not claiming to be teaching WTF. The TKD issue is a gray area non-issue.
11/16/2010 7:12pm, #107
My issue was we shouldn't write an article and draw the conclusion he shouldn't be teaching any Martial arts.
11/16/2010 7:28pm, #108
11/16/2010 10:33pm, #109
- Join Date
- Jun 2009
- Karate-knockdown, BJJ
Let me re-state something from an earlier post where I quoted Mr. Tinnon. Mr. Tinnon stated that Hardy might have attained a "club" black belt, he did not remember Hardy attaining a WTF recognized black belt. But Mr. Tinnon did admit that his records from the time when Hardy was training with him were not complete.
So, from this information, it seems that Mr. Hardy is not qualified to teach WTF TKD. If we follow the WTF standards for teaching and promoting, he would be at the minimum, 3 Dan rankings short.
Am I right? Or wrong?
And I can find no mention of who his Godfather trained in Wing Chun with. And I wonder if Mr Hardy's Father's basic judo and boxing skills were just a part of the old Marine training routine? I don't know any Marins from that era that would be able to comment on the H2H training Marines received in the Vietnam era.
11/16/2010 10:48pm, #110
Three claims of his would seem to be immediately check-able.
- Join Date
- Dec 2006
1. Claims of studying TKD to 1st Dan under Brad Tinnon
"Exposed to" hapkido and tai chi I can also attest to. As much positive I can say for Brad, the "exposure" his students gets to these two style is non-existent. If someone would like I can verify his training with a phone call, but it wouldn't change much.