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  1. OZZ is offline
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    Pacquiao VS. Margarito NOV. 13th

    Well, I don't think Margarito should even be allowed to fight after the bullshit with the handwraps..but since he IS going to be fighting Manny, we might as well get a thread going.
    I am predicting a decisive TKO by Manny, you just cannot bet against the little guy. However, Margarito is very motivated because he thinks a victory will help clean up his tarnished image, so I am sure he will have his best fight ever...
    While I highly doubt it..there IS a small chance of an upset here.

    This article is pretty good..


    LOS ANGELES -- Antonio Margarito can only say he's sorry so many times.

    His penitence long ago turned into frustration, and he takes it out on every sparring partner, each conditioning drill, every heavy bag he punches into submission while preparing to face Manny Pacquiao.

    Nearly two years after a hand-wrapping scandal almost ended his boxing career, Margarito still insists he didn't know his former trainer had placed illegal pads atop his fists. He's still banned from fighting in California and Nevada -- but the commissions can't stop him from training in peaceful Oxnard or a noisy Hollywood gym.

    With a new trainer who claims to see significant flaws in Pacquiao's vaunted skills, Margarito is determined to capitalize on the chance to take on the pound-for-pound champion Nov. 13 in Texas in a big-money fight that few believe he deserves.

    "It's been really tough, but this is a great opportunity for me, and I have to take full advantage of it," Margarito said through a translator before a workout at the Fortune Gym on Sunset Boulevard. "It's always been difficult for me. They always put tough fights in front of me, and never expect me to do anything, but that's what made me into the fighter I am."

    Training is a refuge for the former welterweight champion, and two months of monastic hard work have improved Margarito's mindset heading into the fight that could catapult him back atop the sport -- or condemn him to also-ran status, unable to fight on his native West Coast.

    His frustration with the Nevada Athletic Commission's blunt refusal to consider his appeals and the California commission's intransigence on his suspension has been funneled into determination to win a fight in which few give him a shot.

    The seriousness of Margarito's training is obvious in his physique: He's already hovering six pounds near the 150-pound catch weight limit with almost no visible body fat, and his calves are crisscrossed with ropy veins.

    "We've got two weeks left, but we could be ready tonight," said Robert Garcia, the trainer who replaced the disgraced Javier Capetillo. "He's right where I want him physically, and mentally, he says this is the best he's ever felt. Every single day when we're driving home in the morning after running, he tells me there's no doubt this fight is ours. I've never seen him like that before."

    Garcia, also a former fighter, even has the temerity to suggest he sees areas of weakness in Pacquiao's latest string of dominant victories. While trainer Freddie Roach believes Pacquiao's speed will make it easy to execute a winning game plan, Garcia claims to know exactly how to counter it.

    "In his last six fights, you watch the video and you see a lot of mistakes," Garcia said. "It doesn't take a scientist to see them. Our job is to cut the ring off and pick the spots to hurt him. He has speed, but when you have someone as good as Margarito, someone that can take a punch, combined with some of the things I've been working on with him, like head movement, it's going to be tough for Manny."

    The American-born Mexican fighter known as the Tijuana Tornado never had an easy path: Margarito fought for 7 1/2 years before his first title shot in July 2001, but kept that WBO welterweight belt for six years. After losing it to Paul Williams, he returned with three straight knockout wins, including an 11th-round stoppage of Miguel Cotto in 2008 that stands as the height of his hard-punching, diamond-chinned excellence.

    Margarito was a celebrity in two countries after that victory, and Garcia believes it went to his head and his waistline. He had to cut 40 pounds to make weight for his January 2009 fight against Sugar Shane Mosley -- and when Mosley's trainer discovered the illegal wraps moments before the fight, Margarito was mentally out of a fight won by Mosley on a ninth-round stoppage.

    "When he beat Cotto, he was on top of the world, and then the world came crashing down," promoter Bob Arum said. "It must have affected him mentally, but he's a hardworking kid who wouldn't stop."

    Margarito owes his resurgent career to Arum, who also promotes Pacquiao. When Floyd Mayweather Jr. apparently refused numerous offers to fight Pacquiao, Arum matched the Filipino congressman with Margarito in a matchup widely derided by fans and in the media.

    Margarito can't apologize for having the right promoter to get the redemptive fight he craved. He also can't think of anything else to say to the Nevada bureaucrats who still refuse to license him to fight in Las Vegas, depriving boxing's cash-starved capital city of an estimated us$300 million in revenue from a Pacquiao fight.

    "I think I will fight in Vegas again," Margarito said. "Once I get this opportunity, I know I'm going to come through
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    Quote Originally Posted by OZZ View Post
    Well, I don't think Margarito should even be allowed to fight after the bullshit with the handwraps..but since he IS going to be fighting Manny, we might as well get a thread going.
    I am predicting a decisive TKO by Manny, you just cannot bet against the little guy. However, Margarito is very motivated because he thinks a victory will help clean up his tarnished image, so I am sure he will have his best fight ever...
    While I highly doubt it..there IS a small chance of an upset here.

    This article is pretty good..

    Hitching a lift cos otherwise it won't let me post.

    He can never apologise enough for those loaded wraps. We have the memory of Luis Resto v Billy Collins to remind us. The Cotto fight must now be viewed sceptically - and it does give a clue as to why Cotto was so mystified by the power of Margarito's punches.

    This is a Tester. PacMan would be the way to go owing to his Speed, Combinations and HEART. OTOH, Margarito is much, much bigger - certainly from the recent picture I saw of the standing together and he can take punishment, so it might be a step to far.

    BUT, Margarito could be very tight at the weight and dried out...which means he's only got a punchers chance before he runs out of gas.

    Hmm. PacMan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Hardon View Post

    BUT, Margarito could be very tight at the weight and dried out...which means he's only got a punchers chance before he runs out of gas.

    Hmm. PacMan.

    I can't imagine why Margs would be dehydrated at 150-151. The guy spent most of his entire career at 147. I think it'll be a good action fight. Pac will take it on cards by four some odd rounds.
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    Fucking Dana White..he has scheduled a free UFC for the same night as this fight.
    I mean, you have already established that the UFC is the new kid on the block and kicking Boxing's ass. Is it really neccessary to go head to head with a semi-decent boxing matchup and try to drive the few Boxing fans that are left away?
    Does Dana White really have it in on a personal level for Boxing? Maybe he tried it once as a kid and really sucked at it so now its his mission to drive the sport out of the public consciousness completely.
    I'm actually a bit irritated, this is not the first time he's done this.
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    dana white was a boxercise instructor in boston before managing chuck liddel and getting into mma, i believe.

    in any case, it's an interesting business decision. i dunno if he'll pull that many away from this match up, but we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conde Koma View Post
    dana white was a boxercise instructor in boston before managing chuck liddel and getting into mma, i believe.

    in any case, it's an interesting business decision. i dunno if he'll pull that many away from this match up, but we'll see.
    Agreed, I don't think there are many cross breeds now a days. You either like boxing or mma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theword View Post
    I can't imagine why Margs would be dehydrated at 150-151. The guy spent most of his entire career at 147. I think it'll be a good action fight. Pac will take it on cards by four some odd rounds.

    Ok, there's a reason why I wear these Glasses (Oh, you didn't know?)

    I must have misread what I thought I read. Hmm. I've going back to my "Boxing News".

    I'm still going with PacMan. A man with loaded gloves win? No. No. No.
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    I just love watching that ugly ass Pinoy whooping people's asses so of course I'm excited even though I don't think there's much chance of him losing to anyone but Mayweather right now (and since that fight will never happen...). He's just so much damn fun to watch.
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    He's a lefty and he's a dirty flip. Can't wait to see him murder!
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    If I wanted to watch this fight online - what site would I need to go to? Would I have to go through my internet/cable provider?
    Most of the damn bars are going to be showing Dana White's 'free' UFC event instead of the fight.
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