Posted On:11/01/2010 7:31am
Originally Posted by DARPAChief
But I'm at least curious in the whole "too deadly" purge within the unarmed curricula. Any recommended reading?
If you're referring to koryu here, as in: "unarmed koryu are too deadly", you are mistaken. This is pretty much the tune of bujinkan and other ninjer snobs.
I have heard of a fair few challenge matches, duels, and other alive pressure testing, both in armed and unarmed koryu, and even in the Tokugawa period, when there were no battles.
Probably the best known one is the one which occured between Takeuchi Hisayoshi and Takagi Umanosuke in the early 1600s in castle town of Tsuyama, in what was then Mimasaka province.
This match in particular was extremely important to the history of Hontai Yoshin ryu jujutsu.
Here's a link over at koryu.com, by Furyu's
This is all I could dig up at the moment, but whatever the case, such pressure testing was well recorded.
Posted On:8/15/2011 12:50pm
In the beginning of our discussion, we pinned-down Owari Kan Ryuu and Jikishinkage Ryuu (not just Naginata apparently: http://www.youtube.com/user/kenkichi.../3/Dg_P3QCaA7I) as randori-lovin' koryuuha. There were also obvious omissions like Tenjin Shin'you Ryuu and Kitou Ryuu which are known for their randori.
Recently, I've done some searching around for more randori practising arts; unfortunately, my google fu only seems to turn up kata demonstrations and brief mentions of randori in forums (e.g http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...ad.php?t=74882). The one exception would be Touyama Ryuu (http://www.youtube.com/user/kenkichi.../3/Dg_P3QCaA7I) and the Kendou of the Ikkenkai (http://www.youtube.co/watch?v=uVnK1Sw7HuI); both seem tied to Gekken/Gekiken Kendou (pre-WWII), although their individual approaches really differ. The former equips full armour and looks to be using blunted swords (alloys perhaps?), meeting for three hours once per week; the latter's Kendou-oriented regimen is three times per week in 1-2hr sessions. I really like seeing Kendou with kicking and especially grappling.
Schools alleged to practise randori include: Takenouchi Ryuu, Fusen Ryuu, Sosuishi Ryuu, Sekiguchi Shinshin Ryuu, Ise Jitoku Tenshin Ryuu, Shi Ten Ryuu Kumiuchi, and Shindou Youshin Ryuu AFAIK. Does anyone have any experience/knowledge on these? There are also several Takenouchi-descended schools (e.g. Araki Ryuu, Hontai Youshin Ryuu) and the Shibukawa Ryuu that I wonder might have some randori. Additionally, when people say x-ryu has randori, I get the impression this is mostly for Juujutsu, however I don't know that for a fact.
EDIT: I found a webpage alleging Fusen Ryuu has randori (http://www.bushinjuku.com/new/index....u-jujutsu.html). It's my first time coming across bushinjuku, but this person appears to be talking about their experiences with koryuu?
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Posted On:10/14/2011 2:42am
As per Gezere's comments in the "Aliveness in Aikido" thread (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=109577&page=5) it looks like Tenjin Shin'yo Ryu and Takenouchi/Takeuchi Ryu are presently randori-less. Further, although the Gekiken no Bu is an event held under the auspices of the Toyama Ryu Iaidokai during their tameshigiri competitions, this event does not actually reflect Toyama Ryu training. It should also be observed that Araki Ryu is very diverse with many lineages beyond Ellis Amdur's Araki Ryu Torite Kogusoku, therefore his experiences may not apply to Araki Ryu Kenpo, Araki Ryu Gun'yo Kogusoku, etc.
Sad, but true. In the face of these caveats, drink in the warm cocoa that is Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage Ryu sparring:
Posted On:10/14/2011 10:21am
Hey, this thread is still up.
Also, I didn't know KSDJSKR had sparring. Is this the Kobe or the Sendai branch? Is the dojo in the video exclusively KSDJSKR or cross training with kendo (or other sword arts)?
Posted On:10/14/2011 12:36pm
Long time no see!
The Dojo associated with that last video is the Akiyoshi (or Akimoto?) Dojo, which has a website including a page on their Gekikendo here: http://kageryu.web.fc2.com/gekiken/geki1.html
I haven't been able to find any address、but it looks like each video is a seperate location with different individuals.
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