Standing Gi chokes (Judo)

**BKR** · Posted On: 10/28/2010 3:00am

Originally Posted by Conde Koma

one of my old judo coaches showed me this sick non-crossed collar grip choke once, i'll try and explain it as best i can. basically, you grip as high as you can on the same side collars with your hands (right hand to their left collar, left hand to their right collar). Tug them down like you're dragging them down to newaza (i think this was just to get them to bend over, but it sounds like it should work if they already are), then lift up and turn your hands in sharply, like you're doing that silly double uppercut monkey punch in muay thai. it compresses the hell out of the neck if you do it strong and fast, and should make you want to tap on the spot.

Ryote Jime (double hand choke)

**BKR** · Posted On: 10/28/2010 3:07am

MMA Mickey,

You've gotten some interesting replies to the snap down question. I personally have only seen standing shime waza work a couple of times in shiai, and both times there was a huge difference in skill level between tori and uke.

The key to getting the snap down to work and not get penalized is to make sure it is a "skillfull" entry to ne waza. I'm not up on the most current interpretations of Article 16, but in the past it was pretty darned lenient. The suggestions to do some grip fighting is good, and probably justified if your uke is being a jerk by bending over and being defensive in a normal randori in a judo class.

I'm not sure of your skill level, but I tend to go for obi tori gaeshi type thows when someone gets defensive like that in shiai.

In shiai, I would probably just grab them behind the neck and drag them around until they get a penalty for defensive posture (that is the safest option). Chickenshit, yes, effective, very.

If you know how to do what is called a "loop choke" in BJJ, you can do something similar standing and use that to pull them to the ground that way.

One way I make the snap down legal is to get a high collar grip or middle of the back grip and sleeve grip, then bounce them and attempt a kouchi gari-really just kind of a kick, shift to their right (for a right hand grip) and then snap them down.

Ben