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  1. Johnny Y. is offline

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    10/24/2010 11:38pm

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    Hiyah!

    I've wondered this for years, hoping someone can clear it up.

    What's the deal with the noises that are associated with the Asian martial arts?

    You know: hiyah!, cha!, zoinks!

    Are they supposed to be intimidating? Is it something to do with mystical BS? What exactly is the point?
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    10/24/2010 11:47pm


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    Intimidation is one aspect.

    It was always explained to me that a yell (or ki-hap for the KMA folks in the audience) caused you to tighten your abdominals and prevent you from taking as much damage/getting the wind knocked out of you.

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     Style: Aiki Jujitsu, Kyokushin

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    Fun fact: Kiah (not really sure how to spell it but I'm sure you get the picture) means spirit yell in Japanese. This originated from the belief that when you take you're first breath as a baby, you're soul enters your body. When you exhale your final breath before dying, your soul leaves your body.
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    Posted On:
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    Ki ai in Japanese, Ki Hap in Korean, don't know Chinese equivalent.

    Very basic definitions that are nuanced and have more or less meaning than I know:

    Ki= breath, life energy, life spirit

    Ai/ Hap= Coordinating, harmonising.

    I am sure there are more informed people on this board that will help with some more definitions/ nuances.

    It is a yell that brings your mind, body and spirit together so all your energy is focussed.
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     Style: BJJ, formerly Judo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Y. View Post
    I've wondered this for years, hoping someone can clear it up.

    What's the deal with the noises that are associated with the Asian martial arts?

    You know: hiyah!, cha!, zoinks!

    Are they supposed to be intimidating? Is it something to do with mystical BS? What exactly is the point?
    It's evolved and changed over time, Nowadays I'm expected to sing all of Tiny Dancer during randori

    No seriously.
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    Pretty much everything previously mentioned as well as a really basic way for students to learn how to control their breathing.
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    Every time I watch a combat sport athlete doing padwork they make an awful lot of noise, do you think there's a big difference?

    Kiais in Japanese Karate are based on Japanese Swordsmanship. They're supposed to be short & sharp. I don't know where the crazy long operatic ones came from, probably people imitating Bruce Lee movies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by battlefields View Post
    Ki ai in Japanese, Ki Hap in Korean, don't know Chinese equivalent.
    Foom?
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    ... But only the really fucking stupid actually shout the word KIAI !!!!!!

    But I've seen it done.
    "To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".

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    Quote Originally Posted by maofas View Post
    Kiais in Japanese Karate are based on Japanese Swordsmanship.
    Wrong.

    The fact they may exist in the different arts you mention doesn't mean one is based upon the other. Additionally, Karate's origins (ryu kyu islands) do not stem from the same place as those of Japanese Swordsmanship thus, your statement is far to generally sweeping to be accurate.

    Also note that there are schools of Japanese swordsmanship - like Muso Shinden Ryu to give you an example, which don't utilise kiai as part of their study.
    "To sin by silence when one should protest makes cowards out of men".

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