YMAS Cull Gracie Licensing Program: We forgot where we were at

**goodlun** · Posted On: 10/02/2010 10:27pm

While I agree with the McDojo comments and keep on having less and less respect for the Gracies as an organization.
I would think that 80 hours of grappling instruction will make them surprising well prepared to deal with someone that has 0 grappling experience.
Kind of like what happens to the brand new guy(with no grappling experience) vs the White belt that has been in class for 14 weeks. The white belt does tend to do fairly well to the guy off the street.
So you just have to hope that mugger that attacks you doesn't have any grappling experience.

**gonzomalan** · Posted On: 10/08/2010 5:34pm

Originally Posted by goodlun

So you just have to hope that mugger that attacks you doesn't have any grappling experience.

i'd wager most don't.

**Koshoryu1113** · Posted On: 10/20/2010 3:34pm

gonna be totally honest just downloaded the whole video series and the manual the other day just search gracie combatives torrent its actually very good basic techniques of gracie jiujitsu a good place to start if nothing else i just refuse to pay for it

**donoraen** · Posted On: 10/21/2010 3:25pm

Originally Posted by Koshoryu1113

gonna be totally honest just downloaded the whole video series and the manual the other day just search gracie combatives torrent its actually very good basic techniques of gracie jiujitsu a good place to start if nothing else i just refuse to pay for it

Generally frowned upon to discuss illegal stuff on a public forum.

**RaiderFunk** · Posted On: 10/21/2010 4:54pm

dang it...didn't realize this was a 3 year old thread...ugh!

**Katriona1992** · Posted On: 10/22/2010 5:06am

Originally Posted by Koshoryu1113

gonna be totally honest just downloaded the whole video series and the manual the other day just search gracie combatives torrent its actually very good basic techniques of gracie jiujitsu a good place to start if nothing else i just refuse to pay for it

whether its good or not is up for debate, but you are not meant to steal those vids...o.0

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 10/22/2010 5:33am

Originally Posted by goodlun

While I agree with the McDojo comments and keep on having less and less respect for the Gracies as an organization.
I would think that 80 hours of grappling instruction will make them surprising well prepared to deal with someone that has 0 grappling experience.
Kind of like what happens to the brand new guy(with no grappling experience) vs the White belt that has been in class for 14 weeks. The white belt does tend to do fairly well to the guy off the street.
So you just have to hope that mugger that attacks you doesn't have any grappling experience.

Seriously did you just float the Wing Chun/Krotty/Teh Deadly defense for BJJ?

Yes, yes you did.

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**goodlun** · Posted On: 10/22/2010 5:36am

Originally Posted by It is Fake

Seriously did you just float the Wing Chun/Krotty/Teh Deadly defense for BJJ?

Yes, yes you did.

Please reread what I said as I was advocating the fact that a little bit of grappling experience is far superior to no grappling experience from what I understand that is quite the opposite of what chun/krotty guys say.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 10/22/2010 5:44am

This I agree with:

Originally Posted by goodlun

Please reread what I said as I was advocating the fact that a little bit of grappling experience is far superior to no grappling experience from what I understand that is quite the opposite of what chun/krotty guys say.

That wasn't what I responded to though:

While I agree with the McDojo comments and keep on having less and less respect for the Gracies as an organization.
I would think that 80 hours of grappling instruction will make them surprising well prepared to deal with someone that has 0 grappling experience.
Kind of like what happens to the brand new guy(with no grappling experience) vs the White belt that has been in class for 14 weeks. The white belt does tend to do fairly well to the guy off the street.
So you just have to hope that mugger that attacks you doesn't have any grappling experience.

You threw in the mugger/street 0 skill defense that they use to say a program, no matter how watered down, is okay.

That is exactly the reasoning the examples I gave use.

**goodlun** · Posted On: 10/22/2010 5:59am

Originally Posted by It is Fake

This I agree with:

That wasn't what I responded to though:

You threw in the mugger/street 0 skill defense that they use to say a program, no matter how watered down, is okay.

That is exactly the reasoning the examples I gave use.

Fair enough,
I was just emphasizing that the program serves it purpose of giving someone enough grappling ability to deal with none grapplers but most likely not enough to deal with trains in a grappling art.
Mostly what I would stand by is they are still better off incorporating at least the combatives program into their normal routine to at least least close up that hole in their game some.