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  1. Emevas is offline
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    I would do 8x2, not 2x8 for the power training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata View Post
    What the Hell is this is supposed to mean? Interval training?
    I was refering to interval weight programs not shuttle runs at the local park. Supersets, dropsets and increment weight training maximising muscle exertion for short bursts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata View Post
    Make a light weight feel heavy? No.
    Mixing up a workout week with split days for high rep and low weight exercises can be beneficial to your overall strength and conditioning gains.

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    The way you get more powerful (force/time) is to lift stuff fast, increasing speed and/or weight over time.
    Point must be made to not substitute speed for form.

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    Diet I agree with -- but don't be afraid to add some pounds.
    Within reason. Putting on bulk for strength gains is a great excuse for some people to just eat **** food and justify it by telling themselves that without fat there is no muscle gains.
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    2x8 and 8x2 It take the same time ( work/time ) .The result in power would be the same.
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    That only makes sense if you've never tried it. 8 reps in a row twice is stupidly hard compared to 2 reps in a row 8 times. Pick a weight you can normally rep about 6 times and try it. You can probably pull off the 16 reps using 8 sets of 2, but no way will you do it with 2 sets of 8. Even if the math says it's the same amount of work. Why? Because the recovery time you are taking between sets makes a big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartangel View Post
    2x8 and 8x2 It take the same time ( work/time ) .The result in power would be the same.
    No, not even close. The goal of power development is perfect form practice, and form deviations tend to develop after the second or third rep. That's why plyometrics and dynamic effort are both trained in the 2-3 rep range.

    Eveything else you said in the post was pretty wrong too, but I wanted to highlight this.
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    There's another way to look at this issue. Look at successful people who have the qualities you're interested in. There are people who invariably have spectacular overall relative strength: weight-class strength athletes like powerlifters and O-lifters Train like them to get results like them.

    And I'll guarantee you that they're not typically doing drop sets, supersets and bodybuilder crap like that. Or weight intervals.

    Not to get too far into the 8x2 versus 2x8, but the loading parameters are way different. You do far more work 16 reps spread over 8 sets than 2 set of 8 because the weight will be much higher. Do that too much too often and your CNS will take a beating, though. Same with plyometrics.

    The point about lifting as fast as possible (with control) is a neurological trick. Even if you're not actually lifting fast because they weight is heavy, the intent carries through to your nervous system and encourages better muscle recruitment.
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    Found this: also contains the part of what I first posted.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1

    It happens to say what Res Judicata basically said, although I don't understand it completely, as I'm going to bed now I have to get up early, thanks for the comments.

    Oh, and when lifting heavy do you suggest until failure, along with negatives and statics? and when repping fast, what type of weight to use?

    Also, the type of strength I am talking about a lot of gymnasts have. I know they do a lot of isometrics, anyone have an input on that.

    Thanks guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Res Judicata View Post
    The point about lifting as fast as possible (with control) is a neurological trick. Even if you're not actually lifting fast because they weight is heavy, the intent carries through to your nervous system and encourages better muscle recruitment.

    Good point, duly noted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 94m View Post
    Found this: also contains the part of what I first posted.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1

    It happens to say what Res Judicata basically said, although I don't understand it completely, as I'm going to bed now I have to get up early, thanks for the comments.

    Oh, and when lifting heavy do you suggest until failure, along with negatives and statics? and when repping fast, what type of weight to use?

    Also, the type of strength I am talking about a lot of gymnasts have. I know they do a lot of isometrics, anyone have an input on that.

    Thanks guys.
    When you're training for strength, never go to failure, and certainly don't add negatives and statics to a post failure set.
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    That's an Eric Cressey article. Smart, knowledgeable guy. You can't go wrong listening to him. Reading him got me into mobility and foam roller work years ago. http://ericcressey.com/
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