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  1. lightgunsuicide is offline

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    10/18/2010 12:10pm

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    Yagyu Shingan-ryu taijutsu

    I came across this watching some koryu demo's.
    YouTube - Yagyu Shingan-ryu Taijutsu [Yawara]

    Interesting stuff. Anyone have any experience of training in Yagu Shingan-ryu?
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    Yagyu Shingan ryu is seldom taught outside of Japan, my friend. The only school I am aware of outside of Japan is under Philip Hinshelwood Sensei in Australia.
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    Very interesting, some tecniques look pretty... familiar :-) I would love to see some waza from another contact point!
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    Youtube Sosuishi Ryu and have a look at their Jujutsu

    In fact.. because I'm that kinda guy.....

    YouTube - Sosuishi ryu Kumi Uchi
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    Now have a look at Daito ryu

    YouTube - Daito ryu Aikijujutsu
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    Actually Evilenzo, I while back I heard that Morihei Ueshiba did in fact study Yagyu Shingan-ryu Taijutsu.

    But there's a catch: while Ueshiba did get a certificate in this art, I heard that upon it's examination, it lacked an authenticity seal above the teacher's name.

    The researcher in question concluded that it was not likely forged, but this none the less proves to be a problem when trying to track Ueshiba's training in this particular koryu.

    For those interested, the certificate is said to have been awarded in 1908 by a teacher called Masakatsu Nakai. I would love to get Simio's take on this.
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    I was aware of the connection but wasn't actually aware of the certification specifics. DCS might be able to shed a little more light on this ?
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    Thank you very much for the great videos Mr Simio! The first Yonkyo was "kindly" thrown on my arm by a senpai who also studies Aikijujutsu, oh the joy!

    After watching them i have even more questions but first i'd like to say one thing.

    Reading this forum, the most frequent critique to Aikido, from the people who have actually tried it, is that training is compliant and too... delicate.

    In my Dojo, we go at each other like the Aikijujutsu people in the vids here (and i've got bruises to prove it), we use atemi, several of us got broken bones, bruises and yesterday i almost broke my left wrist.

    My point is, are we really odd-ducks in the world of Aikido? If so, why is compliance become the rule and not a mistake? We don't spar, but we try to study all possible openings, we even learn how to strike with knees in order to learn NOT to leave openings during tecniques!

    Is the situation really that bad? I would like an answer from pepole like you, who at least know what a mean Yonkyo tastes like.
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    I'm very busy, sorry (I still have to adress the iemoto system in the other thread in a coherent manner. I'm slow at typing in English, you know).

    Anyway, afaik Amdur checked Ueshiba's Goto-ha Yagyu Shingan Ryu certificate (a mid level one) with Masao Muto, 10th headmaster of said ryu, who verified its validity even if it is unsigned.

    Why is unsigned is speculation. From Ueshiba lacking the money for paying scribe's bills and/or teacher's fee for the signature, to the teacher forgetting to sign the certificate at that moment and Ueshiba, out of respect, not complaining about it.
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