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  1. godofarts is offline

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    Lifting yourself above a bar... need advise

    I need advise on... how to lift myself above a bar. To be more specific I'm trying to go up and over a bar at the end of a pull up. I keep getting stuck at chin level.

    Anyone have any advise on what kind of exercises I should be doing that'll work the right muscles I need to do this? I weigh 189 and am trying to cut to 170 which seems to be the max weight I can lift by pulling downwards on a machine without being dragged up into the air.
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    just keep doing pullups. If you cant get the range of motion down, do assisted, jumping, or negative pullups.
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    I am curious as to how many of the guys on here that are in the 190lb range can do a pull up? It is quite a bit of weight. I am not saying it is impossible I am sure a few people here can do it.
    I second the concept of keep doing negatives, and also dropping down to 170 will help quite a bit as well.
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    from what the OP is saying, they can do a pull/chinup till their chin is at bar level, but lacks the shoulder/back strength and flexibility to go past that. Solution: get the back stronger and shoulders more flexible by doing more pullups.

    my old roommate had the same problem (220 lbs), and couldnt do more than two full pullups. after we got a doorway pullup bar and he started greasing the groove (doing one or two each time he exited the room), his reps increased and he found that he could do not only chinups but also pullups and wide grip variations as well.
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    10/11/2010 1:35am

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    Actually I can do a normal pull up. Thanks wiz for the tip about negative pullups I'll be experimenting with that. What I actually need help with the concept of pulling yourself above a bar the way a gymnast would, with a clean jerk from hanging position and the bar ending at your stomach.
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    Check YouTube out for Bartenderz, they have video of them doing up and overs. Some of the related videos have training tips on how to do them
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    That requires extreme explosive strength and technique. You're not going to get that from just doing a few pullups.

    You have to bear in mind that gymnasts are built to be as strong for their weight as possible and as LIGHT as possible.

    Also, if you want to learn to do something that gymnasts do, there's a special place to learn that ****..
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    thanks greasy thats some interesting stuff. I'll be trying it out.
    Doesn't look to bad, I'll start with the leg cycling.

    Heres a link to what I found.
    YouTube - BK Bartendaz Training Session 3
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    Muscle ups are the key to this.

    http://www.beastskills.com/MuscleUp.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    I am curious as to how many of the guys on here that are in the 190lb range can do a pull up? It is quite a bit of weight. I am not saying it is impossible I am sure a few people here can do it.
    I second the concept of keep doing negatives, and also dropping down to 170 will help quite a bit as well.
    At 215 I could still do pull-ups with added weight. They're easier now at 188.

    TC: Analyze your grip width. A lot of people go really wide on pull-ups to shorten the ROM, but it ends up retarding you mechanically when you try to get higher than the chin.
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