9/29/2010 11:19pm, #11
9/29/2010 11:24pm, #12
Also, blood, don't think we're trying to be intentionally cruel or crass towards you. We're just trying to tell you that while fight training can be fun (for you or masochists, I would suppose), long-term it is going to be stressful on your body and most likely your mind and mood.
9/30/2010 12:44am, #13
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3. i was under the impression that a plan that consists of increasing the repititions every night in both pulling and pushing movements with a specific goal in mind (to reach 100 in a pulling and 250 in a pushing movement) was a structured plan :(
I guess you and i have a different idea of what the term "minimal" means. I can not nor will i ever be able to do the same number of pulling motions that i can of a pushing motion. I can get tired with 100 pullups, but it takes around 250 for me to get tired of pushups. I don't see a purpose of doing 100 pullups and then only 100 pushups if it means i'm not going to be stressing my chest enough to grow/get stronger, that's all i was saying.
4...well...um...your face is weight lifting :( Lol fair enough sir, fair enough.
lol i guess i will Kickapoo, if i figure it out that is ^_^
And don't worry, i don't view anything you guys are saying as cruel, i came here posting a thread asking for advice and help, and i expect to get just that, which you guys are providing :) I'm not a 16 year old "zomg how dare you insult my fighting skillz, I HAZ TAPOUT SHIRT!!" homo that thinks he's hot **** because he does this or that. When i post somewhere asking for help, i expect to get it, and i have, therefore i view nothing as cruel or insulting :D
Emevas, then i offer to you the following question sir, since you know alot more about this then i do, and now you have an idea of my goals at least:
What should i be doing? Do you have an idea of a routine i could follow or a specific schedule? Basically my mma training takes place monday/wednesday, and saturday, my gym training was taking place tuesday, thursday, and saturday. How can i make this work to where i can still incorporate my shotokan training (i'm not talking about 2 hours a day every day, when i say working shotokan skills i might mean i take 1-2 things and drill it for a while when i do it) into all this? There must be a way i can do it without overtraining while still not making my body look like Tim Silvia :/
9/30/2010 4:27am, #14
This is probably the best source for weight training I can give you without going out of my way. If you're actually training regularly at a fight gym you may want to stop using the bodyweight exercises at the end because your training should be increasing yor work capacity.
for conditioning, there are no shortcuts and the only way you're gonna be anywhere near fight fit is to train at a fight gym, you know, with fighters and stuff.
and stop practicing 'shotokan skills' for now. Trust me I have a 1st Dan in shotokan and practicing that on the regular will only slow own your progress at the MMA gym."The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". - Cus D'Amato
9/30/2010 7:23am, #15
enough to grow/get stronger, that's all i was saying.
These are two entirely different goals that you've grouped together. If the goal is strength, you have to knock off the high rep stuff. Hell, even it it's growth it's not optimal.
You are stressing them equally in terms of fatigue, yes, but the volume is uneven, especially when you factor in the additional pressing work you are doing with your compounded tricep work.
When I say a "structered plan", I mean something put together by a qualified expert."Emevas,
You're a scrapper, I like that."-Ronin69
9/30/2010 11:30am, #16
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i suppose that's true, but when i've gone from being able to do 3 pullups in a set, up to 8-10, and do literally 3x as many reps total in a night as i could do before, as well as increasing the width of my back, how does that not justify as getting stronger/growing? Again i'm not arguing or doubting you guys, i'm just putting my points out there and trying to learn your thought processes :D
9/30/2010 11:32am, #17
In short, by continuing to practice shotokan you are simply preserving all of the bad striking habits you have instead of un-learning them."The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". - Cus D'Amato
9/30/2010 11:40am, #18
Want to train like a fighter here is what you do
first read every last word on this page
so that you have an understanding of exercise
Then Train Judo x2 a week Bjj x2 a week and Boxing/kick boxing x2 a week all at a gym with a qualified instructor.
That will get you into shape and give you a nice well rounded skill set.
9/30/2010 12:17pm, #19
size is not strength
reps is not strength
moving a heavier thing than you moved yesterday is strength
9/30/2010 12:48pm, #20
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But on the flip side i see what you're saying, there are quite a staggering amount of differences between shotokan and say boxing and MT like you mentioned. The kicking i do agree with 100% though, other then the side kick, i haven't been able to successfully apply a single kick i've learned in shotokan as well as i've been able to apply the kicks i've learned from the muay thai aspect of MMA. I have no qualms with the punching though, i hpe you don't think i'm sitting there in a back stance waiting for you to lunge at me so i can throw a perfectly timed knife hand or lunge at you from across the room to hit you with a lunge punch lol. That's just shenanigans and i'd never even consider doing such a thing, in the context of mma or on the street.
I have also learned to throw significantly better knees having done this then i did in shotokan like you mentioned.
I think the big issue here is conflicting styles. Shotokan is most certainly a self defense style over a combat sport style.
I guess you guys are right, i just have too many conflicting goals at the same time :(
Lindz: sure, but moving a heavy object further then i could the day before (i.e. myself in this case) is strength. And how is reps not related to strength? You're telling me if i could only do 3 pullups the week before, and now i can do 6, that i'm not stronger then i was before? While my weight may not fluctuate enough to really be considered "heavier", i've always been under the impression then if i'm moving this object with better form and through a greater range of motion then i could before, then i'm getting stronger, i.e. if i can only do partial pullups at one point, now i can do full ROM pullups with the same weight, i'm getting stronger.
i'll check that link in a bit, i'm getting over a cold and i'm going to go take a nap so i'll check it when i get back on.