shuai-chiao and mantis boxing

[M.Dasargo]

Some stuff we've been goofin around with:

YouTube - San Diego Shuai-chiao Kung Fu for MMA
YouTube - 7 star and 8 step mantis boxing
YouTube - Gettin' ugly with 7 star and 8 step mantis boxing

shuai-chiao online lessons:
YouTube - San Diego Shuai-chiao Kung Fu for Mixed Martial Arts
YouTube - Shuai-chiao Pulling Throw from the Muay Thai Clinch

[Eisenheidi]

Hi, why don't you use mats when taking down your partner (supposing you're the teacher in the first three videos)?

[Permalost]

Are you the coach from Immortal Fitness? I was going to check that place out for one of our other posters, but it kinda slipped through the cracks. I'd watch the videos but I'm at work.

[nomamao]

I love the **** out of some "stealing step," man. Nice throws.

[JP]

Forgive my ignorance, as I'm not a shuai jiao player at all, but I've got a little experience with standing grappling and throwing from BJJ. (I'll pause for a second to let the laughter die down.)

Anyway, in the first video showing shuai jiao for MMA, where you're switching from an over-under type position, to a 2 on 1 grip and then to in inside reap, what's to stop him from taking your back before you've gotten to the throw.

From the angle in the video it looks like you're almost handing him a chance to get behind you and sink in a choke or a suplex.

Again, not a shuai jiao player so if it's something as simple as rule-set, I withdraw the question. It just looks like a tricky position that allows your opponent too much room to circle you.

[nomamao]

I think that, as long as he stays in front of the opponent and stays touching shoulder to shoulder (until the switch), he should be fine. If one were to start and circle as the arm is being drawn down, I believe there's a sweep for that. NOw, if the guy happens to get to your back while you are attempting the sweep--you done did it all wrong. That's as far as I know and I'm far from a SC superstar.

My only problem with that throw is that when he passes the arm over, he leaves him self open for other throws that entail moving the leg he's looking to pick up-- pretty damned tricky to try and use IMO.

[Permalost]

Anyway, in the first video showing shuai jiao for MMA, where you're switching from an over-under type position, to a 2 on 1 grip and then to in inside reap, what's to stop him from taking your back before you've gotten to the throw.

When I did moving step push hands, part of what makes that type of throw work is properly applying shoulder pressure. It makes it more difficult to counter and makes the throw work better.

[Blue Negation]

The arm-drag-to-leg-reap thing doesn't have that much risk for a souplesse type throw IMO if they get to your back, due to how their arm is wrapped up - they'd want an underhook for a souplesse, and they don't have it.

(That said, if they get to your back, a lot of stuff must have gone wrong)

Here's a video of Pablo Popovitch using a similar takedown:
YouTube - Pablo Popovitch vs. Jo Jo Guarin at $4000 Grapplers Quest All Star Submission Grappling Challenge (opening exchange)

[nomamao]

I believe the risk comes in the arm drag to the leg-pick thingy, as the arm drag leads the opponent to a place where he can grip your shoulder and look for a throw of his own, if you don't get to his leg first. But, that's when dealing with jackets.

after watching the vid a couple more times, I noticed that he keeps the arm in his hand and doesn't just pass it over in favor of going for the leg, also with more of a downward pull as what's shown in the vid.

I believe that if you don't control the arm that's being passed over, at least with jackets, you leave yourself open for other throws that stress getting a grip under the arm to catch the shoulder.

[AAAhmed46]

Despite the possible faults. Love shoui jiaoi. Keep it coming.