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  1. Rene "Zendokan" Gysenbergs is offline
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    Looking for a very specific Judo Kata - the one over Physical strenght

    Hello Everybody,

    I'm looking for one very specific Judo Kata, unfortunally I don't know the name.

    The only things that I know about it are:
    - It's based on physical strenght
    - The kata was created by Jigoro Kano
    - It has become obsoleted in the teachings of the Kodokan
    - At the end of its existens it was only taught to women Judoka

    Does anyone know the name of this Kata? Is there documentation of it (books, video)? Can it be found online?

    The reason that I'm looking for this Kata is that I heard my teacher talk about it. He found it a shame that he never learned it and I want to give him a 'tutorial/instruction vid' over this kata as a thank you present.

    So if anyone could help me, it would be much appreciated.

    With kind regards,
    Zendo
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    I imagine you're referring to the 'lost tenth kata' the Go no Kata.

    There's an excellent article series on it here:
    http://1423.isl-science.com/fulltxt.php?ICID=878157
    http://1423.isl-science.com/fulltxt.php?ICID=878158
    http://1423.isl-science.com/fulltxt.php?ICID=878159

    If those links don't work then follow this link and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Then just click close window on the pop up that appears and you'll be through to the content.

    http://1423.isl-science.com/abstract...e=834879&dz=s6
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    Might possibly be Joshi Goshin Ho? Found some stuff at judoinfo.com: http://judoinfo.com/goshinho.htm

    There seems to be some threads discussing it in the Kata section of judoforum.com too.

    Hope you find what you're after!

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    I see judoka_uk beat me to it, and with a quite likely better answer :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    I imagine you're referring to the 'lost tenth kata' the Go no Kata.

    There's an excellent article series on it here:
    http://1423.isl-science.com/fulltxt.php?ICID=878157
    http://1423.isl-science.com/fulltxt.php?ICID=878158
    http://1423.isl-science.com/fulltxt.php?ICID=878159

    If those links don't work then follow this link and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Then just click close window on the pop up that appears and you'll be through to the content.

    http://1423.isl-science.com/abstract...e=834879&dz=s6
    according to the Bullshido rep tool, I have a crush on you and should do some push ups...so I will do some push ups.

    Thank you for your help, it's much appriciated.

    I've found a book in Dutch. My Judo teacher will be delighted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zendokan View Post
    according to the Bullshido rep tool, I have a crush on you and should do some push ups...so I will do some push ups.

    Thank you for your help, it's much appriciated.
    Lol can't go wrong with press ups.

    Apparently this is what the Go no kata looks like:
    Dailymotion - Go no kata kodokan - une vidéo Art et Création@@AMEPARAM@@http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/video@@AMEPARAM@@video

    Now reading the Judoforum kata section there seems to be considerable controversy over filiming this kata to such an extent where the leading Japanese expert, Toshiyasu Ochiai -name presented in the Western format, refuses to allow himself to be filmed teaching or performing it.

    However, there exists an instructional book with a dvd teaching and demonstrating the Kata by Ochiai done in German. Avaliable from this online retailer, for a very reasonable 13, so if you wanted to make a gift of it to your sensei you wouldn't need to break the bank.

    http://www.verlag-dieter-born.de/ind...chk=1&Itemid=5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zendokan View Post
    I've found a book in Dutch. My Judo teacher will be delighted.
    Is that by Chris De Korte and Jan Muilwijk? Because apparently their Go no kata is a nonsense that they made up and has very little to do with the genuine Kodokan Go no kata.

    The only Western language instructional of which, is the Ochiai book/dvd in German. Ochiai can apparently dircetly trace his Go no kata lineage to Kano, and is recognised as the guardian of the Kata by the Kodokan, whereas De Korte and Milwijk, well if the people on Judoforum are to be believed don't have any claim of lineage on the kata.

    There's also a man called Parulski who's also apparently peddaling a fraudulent Go no kata.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judoka_uk View Post
    Is that by Chris De Korte and Jan Muilwijk? Because apparently their Go no kata is a nonsense that they made up and has very little to do with the genuine Kodokan Go no kata.

    The only Western language instructional of which, is the Ochiai book/dvd in German. Ochiai can apparently dircetly trace his Go no kata lineage to Kano, and is recognised as the guardian of the Kata by the Kodokan, whereas De Korte and Milwijk, well if the people on Judoforum are to be believed don't have any claim of lineage on the kata.

    There's also a man called Parulski who's also apparently peddaling a fraudulent Go no kata.
    Yes, that was the one, luckily I hadn't bought it yet.

    So I'll order the German one instead. Twice, one copy for my teacher and one for me.

    Thank you very much for the information,
    Zendo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zendokan View Post
    Yes, that was the one, luckily I hadn't bought it yet.

    So I'll order the German one instead. Twice, one copy for my teacher and one for me.

    Thank you very much for the information,
    Zendo
    Not a problem, glad to have helped.

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