Jay Russell - Albany,NY - Questions about his BJJ Black Belt and BJJ lineage.

**DuckofDeath** · Posted On: 9/27/2010 12:20pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

So, now we have to research Elite Jujitsu (no the BJJ team that pope up) an see if they still exist and what his rank was and if they cross ranked in AAU Judo as Judo Black belts.

The possibility also exists that "Elite Jujitsu" might have been a fly-by-night creation of Jay Russell himself.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 9/27/2010 12:22pm

Originally Posted by DuckofDeath

The possibility also exists that "Elite Jujitsu" might have been a fly-by-night creation of Jay Russell himself.

I'm still checking but, there are two org one is a Brazilian Jiujitsu which I eliminated. The other appears to be a Japanese Jujitsu org. There are Jujitsu orgs that do compete in Judo competitions.

I'm thinking he has an unrecognized Dojo specific Judo rank. Like Kempo and the JiuJitsu rank that suddenly appeared.

**DarkPhoenix** · Posted On: 9/27/2010 1:11pm

After looking at that AAU event he was in, it was just a sub-grappling thing.

Originally Posted by Is It Fake

I'm thinking he has an unrecognized Dojo specific Judo rank. Like Kempo and the JiuJitsu rank that suddenly appeared.

A very distinct possibility, but he would still need to be part of one of the 3 orgs in the US in order to compete in a sanctioned judo tournament.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 9/27/2010 1:18pm

A very distinct possibility, but he would still need to be part of one of the 3 orgs in the US in order to compete in a sanctioned judo tournament.

I am looking at his claim of a Judo Black Belt right now. I do not believe he got Batsugan in a Judo tournament.. You want to research that go ahead.

I'm chasing down what I can so we don't get what happened in two of the recent bigger threads.

**DarkPhoenix** · Posted On: 9/27/2010 1:30pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

I am looking at his claim of a Judo Black Belt right now. I do not believe he got Batsugan in a Judo tournament.. You want to research that go ahead.

I'm chasing down what I can so we don't get what happened in two of the recent bigger threads.

That makes sense. I can tell you right now that he did not get Batsugan at the Empire State Games as he may have stated. That is a pretty big feat in and of itself, and he wasn't on the rolls for any of the ESGs in judo for the past 13 years. As someone else stated previously, he would be very well known in the NY judo community if he did get Batsugan.

I am just waiting to hear back from USJI to see if he is part of their organisation.

EDIT: Eligibility for the ESGs in Judo require that the player be part of one of the organisations that is recognised by the NGB to compete.

**DuckofDeath** · Posted On: 9/28/2010 1:13am

Another site where the judo black belt claim shows up:

http://www.myspace.com/teamrusselljiujitsu

"Team Russell Jiu-Jitsu is the premier mixed martial arts academy in the capital district. Instructor Jay Russell is a Carlson Gracie Jr certified Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instructor, and a black belt under Jordan Damon. Jay is also a black belt in Judo, certified boxing/kick-boxing instructor, and was a high school wrestling coach for 3 years. He holds a record of 67-6 in his nine year career as professional NHB, and submission grappling fighter."

**DarkPhoenix** · Posted On: 9/28/2010 7:34am

I spoke with my Sensei last night, and he stated that he was one of the last people in NY to get Batsugan in an Empire State Games, and that was in the 60's. There was one after him, but that is all.

**Dojostormz** · Posted On: 9/28/2010 10:04am

Originally Posted by DuckofDeath

Another site where the judo black belt claim shows up:

http://www.myspace.com/teamrusselljiujitsu

"Team Russell Jiu-Jitsu is the premier mixed martial arts academy in the capital district. Instructor Jay Russell is a Carlson Gracie Jr certified Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instructor, and a black belt under Jordan Damon. Jay is also a black belt in Judo, certified boxing/kick-boxing instructor, and was a high school wrestling coach for 3 years. He holds a record of 67-6 in his nine year career as professional NHB, and submission grappling fighter."

Yet another place where he claims Carlson Gracie lineage, which according to Mr. Kronenberg, is based on a certificate Mr. Russell got from a mail order defense course.

**Rock Ape** · Posted On: 9/28/2010 11:26am

Screen cap taken if no one else has one.

**DuckofDeath** · Posted On: 9/28/2010 12:36pm

Originally Posted by DarkPhoenix

I spoke with my Sensei last night, and he stated that he was one of the last people in NY to get Batsugan in an Empire State Games, and that was in the 60's.

Are you sure he didn't mean some kind of "Empire State" judo tournament that might have later been incorporated into the Games? I ask because according to this link from the info you posted on the Empire State Games, the Games began in 1978:

http://www.empirestategames.org/summer/about.asp