Thought on Judo ?

**maofas** · Posted On: 9/15/2010 5:36pm

Since they're being uppity, ask your friends who do BJJ how they plan to get their opponent to the floor when (chances are) they start rolling on their knees 99.9% of the time. Magic?

**DarkPhoenix** · Posted On: 9/15/2010 6:06pm

Originally Posted by judoka_uk

After 18 years I would hope you're ready! You have about 4x as much Judo experience as I do lol.

Best of luck with it, the American system is very different from ours so I'm not sure exactly what you'll be doing, but I hope it all goes well!

Make sure you enjoy the feeling of holding that shiny crisp belt in your hands whilst you can, because it just gets harder once you've got one lol!

Oh btw, please don't call me sir, I don't deserve any form of honorific from anyone lol!

:threadjack-sorry ghost:

Well it was a broken 18 years. I stopped for about 10 of those eighteen but have been back into it again a little over two as a sankyu. I remember when I got my 1st dan in tkd, but I feel this will be more satisfying.

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**Ghostsp78** · Posted On: 9/15/2010 7:15pm

Hey thanks for the good input guys judoka uk always a great post also they said a bjj person could enter and win a judo tournament before a judo person could win a bjj tournament!

**judoka_uk** · Posted On: 9/15/2010 7:32pm

Originally Posted by Ghostsp78

Hey thanks for the good input guys judoka uk always a great post also they said a bjj person could enter and win a judo tournament before a judo person could win a bjj tournament!

You may not realise it, because you're new to the internet/forums/ the whole Judo vs BJJ thing.

However, a lot of your posts could be misconstrued as trolling, because you keep posting topics that are potentially controversial and could lead to argument between Judoka and BJJers. If people from either Judo or BJJ are so stuck in the past as to fail to acknowledge the skills and specialism of the other then ignore them, they are likely not worth listening to.

Last weekend I was in conversation with a former Judo European bronze medallist and Olympian about how he can still submit Olympic silver medallists in randori even at age 50+ and how he enjoys practicing with the 'jiujitsu boys' and how he submits them all over the shop. Now this Judoka is truly exceptional in newaza, an absolute nightmare, his name still induces shudders in elite level Judoka who were elite when he was on his way out. So even at age 50 so its no wonder he can tie your average BJJ purple or brown up in knots. Does this lone anecdote prove every Judoka is better at newaza than a BJJer, no!

So my point is comparions are a waste of time when it comes to who is better. Because it comes down to who is better at what, when and under what ruleset.

Train both and if you haven't already, start at your local Judo club and forget about changing room banter and bs chat.

**mcjon** · Posted On: 9/15/2010 7:38pm

There is an added benefit to judo. It is (usually) dirt fucking cheap.

The average BJJ school in Chicago is around $120+ per month and often requires a contract of 6 months or more. Tohkon Judo club in Chicago, which is the largest judo club east of the Mississippi and has a 3 time Olympian and several international competitors as instructors and members, is $55 a month. There are a couple of other Judo clubs in the burbs that are only $40 a month. The only thing cheaper is an adult Freestyle Wrestling club that is $20 a month.

***battlefields*** · Posted On: 9/15/2010 8:29pm

I was under the impression that a good many MMA guys had judo somewhere in their arsenal. Might not be as prominent due to the reasons stated by judoka_uk, but it's there.

Also, the moment you take someone's centre of gravity with little effort and they begin floating through the air before you put them to the ground as hard or as soft as you want is one of the most exhilirating experiences one could have. Judo is awesome.

***jnp*** · Posted On: 9/15/2010 8:42pm

Originally Posted by Ghostsp78

Hey thanks for the good input guys judoka uk always a great post also they said a bjj person could enter and win a judo tournament before a judo person could win a bjj tournament!

I have trained BJJ coming up on ten years now. If there is one thing I have learned during that time, don't listen to BJJ white belts. Many of them are told BJJ is the best and most devastating martial art ever.

Hint: It's not.

My unsolicited opinion, if you don't know how to take someone down to the ground while remaining on top, you're not a complete grappler, no matter how good you are on the ground.

**Just Guess** · Posted On: 9/15/2010 8:50pm

Originally Posted by Ghostsp78

Hey thanks for the good input guys judoka uk always a great post also they said a bjj person could enter and win a judo tournament before a judo person could win a bjj tournament!

To hazard a guess, it sounds like your friends have seen the video where BJ Penn entered a local Judo tournament and defeated a bunch of black belts, or something similar. That was a case of an exceptional BJJ player competing against average Judo players. I would expect similar results if someone like Yamashita, Kashiwazaki, or Neil Adams entered a small local BJJ competition.

***Plasma*** · Posted On: 9/15/2010 8:51pm

Originally Posted by Ghostsp78

Hey thanks for the good input guys judoka uk always a great post also they said a bjj person could enter and win a judo tournament before a judo person could win a bjj tournament!

Then they are ignorant of the Judo ruleset. Most likely they would get self ipponed by pulling guard or DQ for grabbing the legs.

**Res Judicata** · Posted On: 9/15/2010 8:54pm

Judo overall is a better self defense system. Staying standing and being trained to land in a dominant position is a huge advantage.

I don't think most non-Judo players understand how badly a good blackbelt can manhandle someone standing -- especially a BB with good ashi waza. It's humbling/humiliating.

Speaking as someone who trains both: Judo is much more fun. I'm starting to get bored with BJJ, honestly.

Judo would translate better to MMA if it were fought on concrete or there were proper walls around.Proper clothing (something people wear most of the time ...) would also improve translation.

To add anecdote, I saw a 50 something Judoka absolutely ruin a visiting BJJ brown (and pro MMA fighter) in ne waza -- he armlocked him three times in five minutes.