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12-03-2008, 03:41 PM
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My gun is bigger than yours.
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The Wandering Monk Plays With Fire
This installment of “The Wandering Monk” is a...
Last edited by Scrapper; 12-03-2008 at 04:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by PointyShinyBurn
The range instructors getting a kid's brain pan emptied only drops them to a seven out of ten? What would score a five, genocide?
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I agree.
Yes it was one incident but it was an incident of cataclysmic proportions. It wasnt a father and his boy alone...it was supervised by a range instructor.
If he shows this kind of judgement around children.....
I have been shooting at a local range (Range Master) for years (8) and there has NEVER been an "incident" even close to this. I have seen subs, semis and all manner of rifles, pistols, and even black powder guns shot there.
The greatest amenity a gun club can have is its SAFETY RECORD.
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Originally Posted by madmonkey
Children and guns- doesn't take a genius to figure out that its a stupid idea to mix the two. Any child under the age of 12 should not be allowed near a gun let alone allowed to shoot it. And even at that age is should come down to whether the child is sensible enough.
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I disagree. This is how small children shoot themselves or others. If a gun is taboo then a small child (8 or so) will wait until no one is around and get a hold of an unscecured firearm.
I have loaded weapons around my house. My children (10,9,4,and 2) know where they are. (well the 2 year old doesnt he still poops in his pants.)
My kids know that if they want to see any gun I have that all they have to do is ask. I show them how to unload it, and to make sure it is unloaded, and then how to handle it.
I havent ever had any problems.
The mystique doesnt exist, so they arent tempted. I have also let them (the four and two year old are too small ) shoot many of the guns. This way they can SEE the destructive power of a firearm.
Of course, this may not work for all children. It is just my XP on the matter.
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Originally Posted by madmonkey
Children and guns- doesn't take a genius to figure out that its a stupid idea to mix the two. Any child under the age of 12 should not be allowed near a gun let alone allowed to shoot it. And even at that age is should come down to whether the child is sensible enough.
I agree if you want to learn to defend yourself against a weapon you do need to have experience of its use, shame about guns is that if attempt something you are more likely to get shot in the process.
As to the 7 out 10 I agree with Pointyshinyburn, and yes one accident in a sixty year record generally should not affect the score YET this refers to an adult shooting themselves, the scale of the stupidity and tragedy of this blunder should drop the score to 0
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I remind you all that the event was run by a different company than Westfield. I would happily give that company a crappy score. The only mistake Westfield made was in believing that the company running the shoot would insure all practical safety precautions were in place.
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Originally Posted by madmonkey
Children and guns- doesn't take a genius to figure out that its a stupid idea to mix the two. Any child under the age of 12 should not be allowed near a gun let alone allowed to shoot it. And even at that age is should come down to whether the child is sensible enough.
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Sorry, I have to disagree. I grew up in rural New Jersey and shot a shotgun when I was five. My dad spent the time with me to supervise and show me what to do and what not to do. He made me aware that guns were not toys and never to handle them irresponsibly. Our house was shot at by hunters one year so I was even more aware of "knowing your target and what is beyond it" more acutely than most.
Accidents I have witnessed usually combine one of two events. The first one is that someone had their finger on the trigger when they shouldn't have. The second one is drinking and handling guns.
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I really don't like to shoot at ranges where the range instructors are NOT complete obnoxious, in-your-face dicks about safety protocols. I think it takes that kind of aggressiveness to ensure EVERYBODY there gets it.
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Great article
Great article! I was in the military for 2 years and while there I learned how to take apart, clean, put back together, load and shoot all sorts of firearms in under 30 seconds each. I was in an artillery unit in charge of managing a war maneuvers field and shooting ranges, so we got to go out practically every day. I was part of one of our shooting teams and also trained an endless number of new recruits. After 2 years of doing this, I grew bored with gun shooting, but I DO respect and fear firearms. Safety rules and common sense can't be overemphasized around guns and bullets. There's always an idiot out there who will shoot himself or another innocent person.
And of course that "self defense against guns" some MA "instructors" teach is a lot of BS. Better to use all your smarts to stay out of the way of guns. Period.
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Great article. As for the age deal, well you have to not only take into account the age but also the weapon. a 9yo with a .22 rifle/pistol? Yes. A full auto weapon of any caliber? No. I remember my first experience with a dirt bike. First was ok, started to get antsy with it and my first thought was to stop it. I paniced and engaged the clutch. Well, it rev'd like crazy and when I let out the clutch... well let's just say it wasn't pretty. Had I been in a car and done the same thing much more damage to property would have resulted. The kids froze and sprayed the area because he wasn't comprehending and didn't let go. Had a single shot weapon knocked him on his butt there would have been a lot of laughing and no serious injuries I think.
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12-24-2008, 10:41 AM
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mad monkey needs to get into a firing range....
kudos for this great article post!!!
Weapons are so fun...when properly used. I think that all kids should learn guns, under extremely supervised conditions, of course. I am sorry to hear about the tragic and stupid dad and son machine gun incident. A classmate of mine was accidently shot and killed by his brother when I was in third grade. They had no idea what a gun was and were playing with it when they found it in their parents closet. I never forgot thinking, "how can Billy not know what a gun was?". I was only 8 years old when that happened. If those brothers had know what it was they were playing with that accident would never have occured.
I used to watch my mom and dad clean their guns, and learned respect at a very young age - not to fear the guns, just respect them! I did not learn how to fire a gun until I could first clean it, I totally respect my dad for that important lesson in caring and understanding what you are getting into!
yeah, a .22 for a child is great, but you know a gun enthusiast will graduate from a tiny hand gun pretty quickly. A good education is so important with weapons and safe handling is a must no matter how experienced you are.
Merry Christmas everyone. |
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Last edited by simo; 12-24-2008 at 10:48 AM..
Reason: spelling
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