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    ear protection for home defense?

    I was at my local range the other day when it occurred to me that I 've never fired a pistol indoors without ear protection. I started wondering if firing my .40 cal. Glock indoors in a home defense scenario, say in a room about 12' x 20', would be potentially incapacitating in any way, and compromise my ability to defend my family.

    I've known quite a few LEOs over the years, but never asked any of them this question. Can anyone who's discharged a firearm indoors without ear protection describe the effects? Is this something that should be practiced at least once or twice before it ever becomes necessary?
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    Short answer: anytime you shoot indoors without the benefit of earpro, you run the risk of permanent hearing damage. So no, practicing it is not a very good idea. I have a story that is somewhat related to this issue, but I'm on my mobile right now and don't feel like typing it out. I'll try to remember to do so when I get home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnMunchh View Post
    I was at my local range the other day when it occurred to me that I 've never fired a pistol indoors without ear protection. I started wondering if firing my .40 cal. Glock indoors in a home defense scenario, say in a room about 12' x 20', would be potentially incapacitating in any way, and compromise my ability to defend my family.

    I've known quite a few LEOs over the years, but never asked any of them this question. Can anyone who's discharged a firearm indoors without ear protection describe the effects? Is this something that should be practiced at least once or twice before it ever becomes necessary?
    I haven't fired a weapon indoors without hearing protection but I've fired them indoors with hearing protection and it's plenty loud. I wouldn't suggest practicing indoors without hearing protection at all unless your life would be more satisfying with a constant ringing sound in your ears.

    I wouldn't expect firing indoors in a self defense situation to be incapacitating in any way, although I would expect the noise to add to the overall stress of the situation, especially if you've been asleep.

    Suppressed weapons are obviously your only remedy. Here's a pretty good video of some suppressed shooting indoors.

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    I had an ND with my .357 is a small concrete room in my basement (Faulty primer). My right ear was completely deaf for about 4 hours and rang for 2 days.

    It would not stop me form shooting a bad guy, but you ain't gonna hear **** for a while afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrapper View Post
    I had an ND with my .357 is a small concrete room in my basement (Faulty primer). My right ear was completely deaf for about 4 hours and rang for 2 days.

    It would not stop me form shooting a bad guy, but you ain't gonna hear **** for a while afterwards.

    Consider yourself lucky. My left ear has been ringing since I was fourteen years old and that was from shooting a .44 Magnum outdoors with no hearing protection.

    That was a stupid thing to do but I'm not sure why it got me that day and why it was only my left ear that sustained permanent damage. I think maybe where I was standing in relation to a tree on my left is the reason. I knew it was loud as hell but like a stupid kid I kept right on shooting. I had muffled hearing in both ears for about a day after that but the soft but high pitched ringing in my left ear never went away.
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    I would think the legal ramifications of stopping to get earplugs would outweigh the tactical and preventative benefits.

    "I had no choice but to shoot, I was in fear for my life."
    "You're saying you had no avenue for survival but lethal force?"
    "At that time, in the heat of the moment, that's what I believed."
    "But you did find time to put in earplugs?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil View Post
    I haven't fired a weapon indoors without hearing protection but I've fired them indoors with hearing protection and it's plenty loud. I wouldn't suggest practicing indoors without hearing protection at all unless your life would be more satisfying with a constant ringing sound in your ears.

    I wouldn't expect firing indoors in a self defense situation to be incapacitating in any way, although I would expect the noise to add to the overall stress of the situation, especially if you've been asleep.

    Suppressed weapons are obviously your only remedy. Here's a pretty good video of some suppressed shooting indoors.


    I was worried that it could actually shatter an eardrum, particularly if I had to fire from close retention position. From the responses, it doesn't look that way.

    A Suppressor is the best answer, but they are definitely pricey. I'd expect to pay more for one than I paid for the Glock, probably at least $600. Not a reason not to get one, but not exactly a spur of the moment purchase. I noticed there's a thread on suppressors, I'll read thru it.

    Good video. Unexpected benefit having your smoke alarm go off -- guess I'll have to empty my clip into an intruder to get the same effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnMunchh View Post
    I was worried that it could actually shatter an eardrum, particularly if I had to fire from close retention position. From the responses, it doesn't look that way.

    A Suppressor is the best answer, but they are definitely pricey. I'd expect to pay more for one than I paid for the Glock, probably at least $600. Not a reason not to get one, but not exactly a spur of the moment purchase. I noticed there's a thread on suppressors, I'll read thru it.

    Good video. Unexpected benefit having your smoke alarm go off -- guess I'll have to empty my clip into an intruder to get the same effect.
    You're probably not going to be able to obtain a suppressor much longer anyway, so it's likely a moot point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil View Post
    You're probably not going to be able to obtain a suppressor much longer anyway, so it's likely a moot point.
    Are you speaking for the Alexandria, VA area or the U.S. in general? Obama's executive orders regarding NFA Trusts are annoying, but I think in general it is getting somewhat easier to obtain silencers as people put pressure on the BATFE to modernize. I keep hoping they'll get the tax stamp down to 5 bucks, personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ermghoti View Post
    I would think the legal ramifications of stopping to get earplugs would outweigh the tactical and preventative benefits.

    "I had no choice but to shoot, I was in fear for my life."
    "You're saying you had no avenue for survival but lethal force?"
    "At that time, in the heat of the moment, that's what I believed."
    "But you did find time to put in earplugs?"
    "Well, yeah, but..."
    "I see. Is it true you are also a member of the Internet hate group called Bullshido?"
    "Ummm. "
    Its hard enough waking out of sound sleep and trying to ready myself and the pistol (practiced it a couple of times), adding earplugs to that would definitely make it a challenge. Plus, I'd like to be able to hear what's going on while I'm trying to wake up.

    But, I figured that if firing the first round could blow an eardrum, which I hear is pretty painful, then I'd have to consider it. I guess I knew the answer was a suppressor all along, but I've been in denial about spending the bucks.

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