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  1. MattCompo is offline

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    Is Bujinkan the same everywhere?

    Hi all,

    I've recently come out of the Bujinkan and started MMA which so far I really enjoy. Looking back on my Ninjutsu training, I feel as if it was all washed down into a sort of interactive show in which the instructors basically tell people to let the other person twist their limbs around in different ways and hurt them.

    The place I went to only seemed interested in getting money, and it was very "army" like as well. They expected you to come to every session and seminar and if not you weren't doing your "duty". I remember once I was also told Ninjutsu was all I would need as well.

    I once did a side kick and was told it was too risky as it gives away balance and because you're in a sideways position you're too vulnerable... A lot of the time was spent saying how dangerous all the moves were and a bunch of the students just sat there smiling and nodding in agreement. Yet I go to a place where we do Kali and BJJ, and some of the moves they do are exactly the same yet don't go on about them in that way.

    Maybe it was just a bad club but after seeing the Human Weapon episode and seeing the two guys basically show up the two Ninjutsu Black belts there, I'm not so sure.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattCompo View Post
    I've recently come out of the Bujinkan and started MMA.
    Awesome! A first step in the right direction.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattCompo View Post
    The place I went to only seemed interested in getting money
    Typical of a lot of McDojos, booj and otherwise.
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    I remember once I was also told Ninjutsu was all I would need as well.
    Booj Kool-Aid--the first glass.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattCompo View Post
    I once did a side kick and was told it was too risky as it gives away balance and because you're in a sideways position you're too vulnerable... A lot of the time was spent saying how dangerous all the moves were and a bunch of the students just sat there smiling and nodding in agreement.
    They drank the rest of the booj Kool-Aid in the pitcher.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattCompo View Post
    Yet I go to a place where we do Kali and BJJ, and some of the moves they do are exactly the same yet don't go on about them in that way.
    All this stuff ties in somewhere--a punch is a punch, a kick is a kick, etc.

    Last edited by slamdunc; 10/10/2013 1:24pm at .
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    Posted On:
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    In response to the question posed in the title, no, Bujinkan is not the same everywhere. My impression is that Bujinkan is like the Baptist Church: there's very little rcfvc-quality control coming down from the top, so there tends to be a lot of variance from one individual location to another.

    What they're all likely to have in common, though, is a bunch of people whose idea of good training is built around a romanticized (and probably mostly fictional) idea of the ninja.
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    LOL at that "rcfvc". My 14-month-old daughter got her hands on the keyboard and I didn't notice that she'd actually typed into the post until just now.
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    Short answer, no matter the 'quality' all booj is all crap all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJMills View Post
    Short answer, no matter the 'quality' all booj is all crap all the time.
    QFT!!
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  7. hpr is online now
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlMatt View Post
    My impression is that Bujinkan is like the Baptist Church: there's very little rcfvc-quality control coming down from the top.
    Wait, there's still a top? Hatsumi is still alive? Impressive, he's at least in his late 80s?

    I wonder what will happen to the org after Hatsumi dies.. I suspect it'll be a *Ing *sun kinda deal in 2 seconds flat.

    From my short experience in Booj it was very much a question of doing henka 60% of the time and pushing somewhat eccentric views on martial arts. From what I gather the place I trained was still a pretty decent Booj place, since they actually sparred once in a while and it wasn't too expensive.

    Funnily enough I spent a year training Judo in the same building years later. It was kind of a bummer to see their beginner's course get dozens of students while there were 5-7 guys in Judo at the same time.
    Last edited by hpr; 10/11/2013 2:39pm at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by hpr View Post
    Wait, there's still a top? Hatsumi is still alive? Impressive, he's at least in his late 80s?.
    He's 82.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hpr View Post
    I wonder what will happen to the org after Hatsumi dies.. I suspect it'll be a *Ing *sun kinda deal in 2 seconds flat.
    I think I saw a quote from him saying he won't be passing on the secrets of something so maybe it will end with him.
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