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  1. RurikGreenwulf is offline

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    Jail for collecting water in the USA?

    This news are being passed around latin sites (badly translated of course hehe)
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oreg...r-his-property

    as yet another proof of the evil MEGA-Corp Run United states and their evil water laws
    and how something something Monsanto, something something IMPERIALISM

    Anyone else heard of this? is that page a reliable source of info?
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    Well, water rights are a very serious thing anywhere. If his ponds were affecting the water table (and from what I read on the permaculture forum, it definitely can) I'm supportive of something being done about it (though jail seems a bit extreme).

    So, I may actually agree with big brother on this one

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    Large corporations have:
    1: pumped water tables dry so they could sell it at greatly increased rates as bottled water, then left the land and locals high and dry

    2: convinced 3rd world residents and governments that they could provide better, cheaper public services like water to the people, took over the previously publicly funded resources, and sold the product at higher prices while the quality stayed the same.

    If corporations are accountable like people (and let's say they are for the sake of argument), laws like the one restricting this guy might not be desirable at all for the corps, since they say water is public property and can't be harvested by individuals or private entities without the proper paperwork. Although I do understand the concerns that a guy on his own property can't provide for his own independence by collecting something that falls from the sky independent of human interaction. Plus the unsavory connections between wealthy corporations and government public policy could sway these laws to favor corporations over private citizens.
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    Maybe someone can elaborate on this one because I don't understand how using dams on a river constitutes "rain water".
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    Yeah, from reading the article it looks like this dude is claiming that they're charging him for collecting rainwater and snow runoff, but the state is saying he's been damming up streams and diverting watercourses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy View Post
    Yeah, from reading the article it looks like this dude is claiming that they're charging him for collecting rainwater and snow runoff, but the state is saying he's been damming up streams and diverting watercourses.

    Thats what I heard as well....

    http://now.msn.com/oregon-man-jailed...ting-rainwater

    Harrington has started serving a 30-day jail sentence and must pay more than $1,500 in fines because he was collecting rainwater in three "illegal reservoirs" on his property. Harrington was in breach of a 1925 law for "diverting water from streams" running into Big Butte Creek, according to state water officials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RurikGreenwulf View Post
    This news are being passed around latin sites (badly translated of course hehe)
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oreg...r-his-property

    as yet another proof of the evil MEGA-Corp Run United states and their evil water laws
    and how something something Monsanto, something something IMPERIALISM

    Anyone else heard of this? is that page a reliable source of info?
    Evil corporate America doesn't appear to have anything to do with the case. It's evil city of Medford, Oregon.

    It's a water rights dispute, which are pretty common in the western US. Google Snake River Water Ajudication and feast your eyes on that one...

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    This guy lives near me, it's a pretty well known beef localy.

    Here's how it breaks down.

    He's not "diverting" anything. They're just prosecuting him under that law because the local courts are corrupt enough to somehow let the DA jump through that tiny warped hoop. They are trying to argue that the rainwater is not making it into the river. AFA the water table? This is NW Oregon. The "water table" is an inch above the ground most of the year. That's just bull@#$%.

    What he has are three man made ponds on his own property which he stocks with fish and uses as resevoirs to water his property and fight local wild fires. He's notably allowed local fire departmens to dip into his "stash" as it were in the past. The ponds themselves are fed by rainwater. The "dams" are to control drainage into the river.

    The beef is something unrelated bewteen him and the city. They're just pushing the water thing because it's all they have on him. Medford aparentlky argues that anything which falls from the sky within their city belongs to the city. They've been going after him for years and all they've got is 1.5k and the priviledge of providing this guyt with room and board for a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Machette View Post
    This guy lives near me, it's a pretty well known beef localy.

    Here's how it breaks down.

    He's not "diverting" anything. They're just prosecuting him under that law because the local courts are corrupt enough to somehow let the DA jump through that tiny warped hoop. They are trying to argue that the rainwater is not making it into the river. AFA the water table? This is NW Oregon. The "water table" is an inch above the ground most of the year. That's just bull@#$%.

    What he has are three man made ponds on his own property which he stocks with fish and uses as resevoirs to water his property and fight local wild fires. He's notably allowed local fire departmens to dip into his "stash" as it were in the past. The ponds themselves are fed by rainwater. The "dams" are to control drainage into the river.

    The beef is something unrelated bewteen him and the city. They're just pushing the water thing because it's all they have on him. Medford aparentlky argues that anything which falls from the sky within their city belongs to the city. They've been going after him for years and all they've got is 1.5k and the priviledge of providing this guyt with room and board for a month.

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    There you go, it has ZERO to do with Corporations or the feds (Imperialism) lol. You can find stupid disputes like this all over America. Rurik wants to come to America so bad it is palpable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Machette View Post
    This guy lives near me, it's a pretty well known beef localy.

    Here's how it breaks down.

    He's not "diverting" anything. They're just prosecuting him under that law because the local courts are corrupt enough to somehow let the DA jump through that tiny warped hoop. They are trying to argue that the rainwater is not making it into the river. AFA the water table? This is NW Oregon. The "water table" is an inch above the ground most of the year. That's just bull@#$%.

    What he has are three man made ponds on his own property which he stocks with fish and uses as resevoirs to water his property and fight local wild fires. He's notably allowed local fire departmens to dip into his "stash" as it were in the past. The ponds themselves are fed by rainwater. The "dams" are to control drainage into the river.

    The beef is something unrelated bewteen him and the city. They're just pushing the water thing because it's all they have on him. Medford aparentlky argues that anything which falls from the sky within their city belongs to the city. They've been going after him for years and all they've got is 1.5k and the priviledge of providing this guyt with room and board for a month.

    Witness; Kleptocracy in action.
    Sounds like he needs a better lawyer. Is he damming streams that run year round? Or even intermittently ? Sound like no to me... it should be interesting case if he pursues it.
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