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    Why isn't Sanda more popular in North America

    Yesterday, I spent two hours watching nothing but Sanda on YouTube. I got to say, there's some action-filled fights. But more importantly, with Sanda you get something that is harder to find with other combat sports: highlight reel takedowns that mesh well with strikes.

    From a aesthetic standpoint, it seems like Sanda takes the best of striking, and the best of grappling — and makes both that much more entertaining.

    Seriously, why hasn't this sport taken North America by storm?
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    Yeah, it seems like it should be more popular when you consider how many mouthbreather casual MMA fans throw up their hands in exasperation as soon as a fight hits the ground and isn't immediately followed by hard GNP. The same could be said for muay thai though- they have continuous action: punches, kicks, elbows, knees and dumping opponents on their ass, but its popularity doesn't compare to MMA. I'd chalk it up to Dana White's marketing machine more than anything else.
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    I think one problem is schools. When I wanted to train in Sanda, I had to go to the local KungFu school. Which was fine, because we competed. BUT you didn't just train Sanda, you had to train Xingyi, Taiji, and Bagua. Then Sanda was focused on before competitions, on the weekends.

    Between Xingyi, Taiji, and Bagua, that's a **** load of forms that you have to learn in order to learn kickboxing with takedowns.

    I think most people who are interesting in Sanda would not be interested in all the forms, and most people interested in the forms are not interested in hard contact fighting. So, the method doens't promote the sport well.

    Of course, this is my own experience, and I'm sure(hopefully) there are some Sanda only schools....somewhere.
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    i also think there was a lot of bickering and infighting in the community. there weren't many events, and for various reasons coaches would be hesitant to enter there fighters into the ones that did exist (political issues, not thinking their fighter would get a fair fight, etc.)

    considering how small the scene was, that sort of thing can quickly squash it, and send everyone to try their luck in muay thai or MMA, which is what happened.

    AFAIK my old school occasionally sends fighters to a tournament in cleveland that has a san shou division, and to the baltimore lei tai, and those are the only 2 full contact events that i am aware of in the northeast US.
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    There is one in Orlando every year. That is where my school went to.
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    Its unfortunate that Sanda/San Shou isn't more well-known better and promoted than it is.
    If there were decent tournaments up here, I know our guys would be chomping at the bit to go them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atomicpoet View Post
    Yesterday, I spent two hours watching nothing but Sanda on YouTube. I got to say, there's some action-filled fights. But more importantly, with Sanda you get something that is harder to find with other combat sports: highlight reel takedowns that mesh well with strikes.

    From a aesthetic standpoint, it seems like Sanda takes the best of striking, and the best of grappling — and makes both that much more entertaining.

    Seriously, why hasn't this sport taken North America by storm?
    I would think SANDA would be big here as well but like it has already been pointed out very few schools if any make sanda a focus you have to go through all the TMA stuff first. My CLF school in Fort Lauderdale had guys do kickboxing and Sanda fights but you couldn't just sign up to do that you had to reach a level before you could compete, understandably, but that included a lot of forms work (both empty hand and weapons) before you got ther. Even when we did do competition training they brought in kickboxers to help train. So one would ask why not go to a kickboxing school. NOW they have dedicated Kickboxing/Sanda and MMA classes but I am talking about in the 90s and early 00's.

    Second part why I think it isn't big is becaues its is a step back. Yes most lay MMA fans don't like the grappling but it gives you the option to grapple if need be. In Sanda the action stops with the takedown and I can see guys complaining why they didn't keep it going on the ground.
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    Sanda as an "alive" sport/competition style emerged nearly half a century before MMA as we know it emerged in the West.

    I think it's not as popular in the West for the same reason those little almond candies I love from Chinatown aren't popular in the West. Sanda is an exotic flavor of fighting, it's not what they're seeing on TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W. Rabbit View Post
    I think it's not as popular in the West for the same reason those little almond candies I love from Chinatown aren't popular in the West. Sanda is an exotic flavor of fighting, it's not what they're seeing on TV.
    Its not popular because its an exotic flavor?
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    it also hasn't really gotten past the "rinky dink" level for the most part, and by that i mean that most of the current events don't even use a ring.

    the baltimore lei tai uses a platform, which is appropriate for lei tai, but a lot of the san shou or sanda events just happen on wrestling mats or puzzle mats in a gymnasium, often right next to forms competitions.

    Also the skill levels at these events vary quite a bit, with a lot of fighters having no experience, leading to mismatches. considering the effort to train for one of these fights, the weight cutting, the travel and hotel costs, showing up and finding a completely unprofessional event can be really disheartening.

    i took a fighter to a san shou event a few years back, she trained her ass off for it, cut weight, drove for hours, and ended up having to fight up 20lbs because there was no one in her division, there was no ring, the rules were vague, they changed the glove size at the last minute to 16oz, etc.

    she now trains at the wat with kru nurse and gets fights through them. fights that are in her weight class, against appropriate opponents, in a ring, with a sanctioning body and a real ref. i don't blame her for switching to muay thai one bit.

    i understand that you have to build a scene, and it takes time, and smaller events will always be a clusterfuck, but i'm just trying to explain why in my opinion sanda never caught on here.

    i know that one of the people who used to promote real sanda events (with a ring and everything) sometimes posts on here, so maybe he wants to chime in with his opinion, since i'm sure he has strong opinions about what went wrong.
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