Obama's Gun Legislation Push: The good, the bad, the ^&$$(!

**Scrapper** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 1:52pm

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/16/politi...tle/index.html

OK. Lets kick this off.

Universal background checks? Sounds reasonable.
A better background check system? I can handle that.

AWB a la 1992 debacle? It has no chance to pass, yet it's still in there. Is this his "punching bag" measure so the other stuff will seem more palatable, or does he really think this will work?

His own party has no confidence in the ban, but Obama speaks as if it is a sure thing. What does he know that we don't?

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 2:04pm

He's the president he is supposed to speak as if it is a sure thing. All he is doing now is keeping the gun prices high. Honestly, uh oh, I could careless if they ban certain assault weapons. Honestly, there are certain guns that need to be military only.

I wanted one, but I could never argue why I needed a Mossberg Semi Auto 12 ga. street sweeper. Still, I say control, to the point of idiocy, who purchases a gun not what type of guns are sold.

**Soldiermedic** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 2:16pm

Originally Posted by Scrapper

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/16/politi...tle/index.html

His own party has no confidence in the ban, but Obama speaks as if it is a sure thing. What does he know that we don't?

The National Guard is being assembled in secret as we speak to track down all weapons and complete the communist takeover of the nation?

I think he's just doing what a president does. The legislation is in there to make it seem like he gave it his best shot, and the language of the background check changes. goes in despite much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the NRA and conspiracy theorists.

Living in MA, with our state gun laws, this affects me very little.

**Scrapper** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 2:21pm

I'm just wondering what the strategy is.

There are at least 12 democratic senators in conservative states that are now in a very ugly spot. Supporting the ban will kill their re-election chances, but not supporting it will cost them significant political capital.

I think the AWB is a ploy to keep the pressure off the other legislative goals and to paint republicans as obstructionists who want to kill babies. Now, the Senate can put forth the measures sans AWB to look more "reasonable," and protect their colleagues in vulnerable states. This forces the Republicans to support the "reasonable" stuff or look like said obstructionists who want to kill babies.

edit: I am not a republican nor do I resemble one.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 2:25pm

Yes, I agree, it is a simple ploy.

**submessenger** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 2:33pm

It seems to be widely accepted that nothing will have any success at preventing "the next one." This is all just security theater, a chance for Obama to puff up big and make it look like he's "done something." When the next tragedy comes, it will be excuses about how he couldn't legally do enough or there wasn't enough time or money to implement the things he wanted to.

In other words, he's already set to blame Congress (looks like Scrapper beat me to it).

I'm a little irked about the whole deputy doctor thing, but it's really nothing new.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 2:36pm

Originally Posted by submessenger

It seems to be widely accepted that nothing will have any success at preventing "the next one." This is all just security theater, a chance for Obama to puff up big and make it look like he's "done something." When the next tragedy comes, it will be excuses about how he couldn't legally do enough or there wasn't enough time or money to implement the things he wanted to.

In other words, he's already set to blame Congress (looks like Scrapper beat me to it).

I'm a little irked about the whole deputy doctor thing, but it's really nothing new.

That's the way it has worked for the decades I have been alive for anything. Bush did the same thing with 9/11.

**submessenger** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 2:43pm

Originally Posted by It is Fake

That's the way it has worked for the decades I have been alive for anything. Bush did the same thing with 9/11.

Yep. I hate politicians.

**Stick** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 2:57pm

I am in agreement; the AWB/hicap ban are the sacrificial lamb conservatives can publicly slaughter in order to pass the rest of it which has not only wide public support but apparent support amongst even tgose conservative leglislators who will need the cover come primary season.

**Devil** · Posted On: 1/16/2013 3:32pm

Zero new laws are coming. If Obama can't do it with exec order, it ain't happening. Doubtful anything will pass the Senate. Certain nothing will pass the House.

We'll probably be fucked ten or twenty years from now. Sooner or later Democrats will control all three branches again and it will be a sad day for gun owners. And we'll end up with a power shift in the Supreme Court most likely. But for now, they can't do a damn thing except token measures.