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    Mambele (African Sickle Sword)

    I don't think that this really belongs in YMAS, but there is no African Martial Arts sub-forum in the Traditional Arts section.

    Anyway, I've been reading about African Weaponry lately (African Weapons by Werner Fischer), and I really wonder how some of these swords were actually used in combat. Here is someone demonstrating the mambele in compliant drills. Has anyone here ever seen one, or a similar weapon, used in Dog Brothers-style non-compliant training or competition?

    Of course, I have no idea if this is in any way authentic mambele technique. Any feedback would be appreciated.

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    Has anyone here ever seen one, or a similar weapon, used in Dog Brothers-style non-compliant training or competition?
    No, but Burton Richardson (Lucky Dog) of Battlefield JKD and the Dog Brothers has done some Zulu stickfighting training:


    sparring with Zulu:


    Not bladework, but its not a bad place to start to actually view African martial arts with weapons. I don't know if that curved sword had technical similarities. When I saw it, I first thought of the Dothraki sword from Game of Thrones. I'll bet that the mambele was studied for this.


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    Szabo knives makes a similar knife called the Battle Sickle:

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    This weapon is the result of genetic manipulations, by taking the genes of other existing implements, our team of researchers successfully spliced the DNA of an ice climbing pick, a dagger, a bolo and a meat hook. Unlike a tomahawk, limited by the size of its head, the battle sickle is one continuous blade ,allowing the weapon to slash thru instead of getting stuck . A tomahawk is head heavy and has almost the same characteristics of a hammer, making it hard to wield it like a knife, for speed .Also, the handle of a tomahawk is basically a straight slick stick, not the best grip design when you re flinging a heavy object in circular motions. The Battle Sickle is designed for ultimate grip retention , ultimate slashing power and speed for a weapon of this kind .The reinforced tip ( a great idea from Mr. Bud Nealy) makes the Battle Sickle suitable for any situation in the field, perfect tool against rifles with bayonets and other heavier weapons. Probably the best tool for battles in confined spaces.
    Guess how much they are. Give up? $800!
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    Hey Permalost,

    Thanks for your replies. The double tip of the Battle Sickle actually looks similar to the double tips of these two traditional mambele:

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    The way the guy wields the mambele in the vid Goldenguy posted looks similar to how broadswords are wielded in some CMA forms I've seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csharp.negative View Post
    The way the guy wields the mambele in the vid Goldenguy posted looks similar to how broadswords are wielded in some CMA forms I've seen.
    I'd say that what he's demonstrating looks more like FMA. The wrapping, checking (especially with the back of the forearm) and flowing freeform drils are typical of FMAs but not CMA broadsword.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenguy View Post
    I don't think that this really belongs in YMAS...Here is someone demonstrating the mambele in compliant drills.
    Nope. Nothing contradictory there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieux Normand View Post
    Nope. Nothing contradictory there.
    I'd bet on a guy trained in compliant techniques with a mambele over a guy trained in, say, dim mak, any day of the week. At least the curved African sword has actually killed lots and lots of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    At least the curved African sword has actually killed lots and lots of people.
    And their names would be...?

    *scrolls up, sees something about "Dothraki"*

    Oh. Never mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    I'd say that what he's demonstrating looks more like FMA. The wrapping, checking (especially with the back of the forearm) and flowing freeform drils are typical of FMAs but not CMA broadsword.
    I don't deny that, since I don't do FMA, but it looks like broadsword forms I've seen, and also done.
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