Thread: monkey fu and pig do
10/18/2012 8:39pm, #1
monkey fu and pig do
We had a discussion before class a few weeks past about MA in the military. The US has tried out a plethora of MA and what we use today is something of a joke from what I've heard. So my question is, if given control over what to teach our troops, which MAs would you choose?
I would go with a mix of Judo, Escrima, and some aspects of BJJ. Judo, I think, is one of the more obvious choices. Get the enemy on the ground and **** the **** out of em I mean kill them. Escrima for improvised weapons and knife fights. BJJ for gaining control of the fight if you were both on the ground.
10/19/2012 4:50am, #2
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I would take escrima/dog brothers 'die less often' programme for the core, since in army a bayonet or rifle, or rifle with bayonet should always be close by. Judo should be heavily adapted and forbidden throws (picking up legs, takedowns,...) heavily emphazised, since they are much easier to learn and to apply in apropriate situation. Otherwise it's another solid art, but has to be trained nonstop and in daily curriculum. If there'd be a quality combat sambo instructor available it would also be nice.
My thoughts on the subject.
10/19/2012 7:11am, #3
Seriously, some of the early hand-to-hand stuff presented to trainees was total bullshit. I remember soldiers telling me "they teach you just enough to get yourself hurt". During the development of the modern programs, they obviously got the right person in Matt Larsen. The modern system is a bit more well-rounded and accounts for more scenarios than the H2H taught before. MACP is far less of a joke than its predecessors.
10/19/2012 7:37am, #4
One of my Jiu Jitsu instructors, Phil Cardella, is involved in MACP. From what I understand, MACP starts off developing basic ground fighting and grappling skills ala GJJ, then incorporates striking. The Army hosts competitions to foster these skills.
Phil Cardella coaching the current Army heavy weight champion in this year's championships at Ft. Hood:
A few pics from the competition:
An important quote from the MACP Web site:
There are a couple of basic tenants of Modern Combatives that are important to understand. The first one is that the winner of the hand-to-hand fight in combat is the one whose buddy shows up first with a gun.
10/19/2012 9:06am, #5
As far as striking goes, I don't feel that's a necessity. If you're in a situation where you need to use H2H something very bad has already happened and you don't need to waste any more time punching and kicking. Throw that son of a bitch to the ground and smash his head and neck. Just my opinion on the matter.
10/19/2012 9:34am, #6
What I do know: When I went through BCT (1996) we had about two days of H2H; during AIT we had 0 days of H2H. The two days in basic were exercises in futility, and were just about enough to get your ass kicked. MACP isn't THE answer, but it is as good of a system that they could develop within the given parameters, and train thousands of soldiers to a standard.
10/19/2012 10:03am, #7
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10/19/2012 11:19am, #8
10/19/2012 11:24am, #9
Also, if you click the quote links it'll take you to the actual threads.
10/19/2012 8:08pm, #10
I had a feeling our military are smarter than that, glad I was shown right.